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[Notch7]

The solution is to tow the damn boats back to France

needs agreement with France

Or as soon as the illegal is found in Blighty, give them a cuppa while they wait for a plane to take them back to whence they came or somewhere safe near home

not allowed: they have a right to claim asylum

there are no simple solutions, head in sand is an option only available on forums and in the pub

 

[^woody^]

But what will stop them coming back again, or all the others?
If they fail to be granted asylum, then they will then go back. If they get asylum, they are not illegal, and can start to contribute to our society.

If they know they won't be allowed to stay, then the word will get around pretty fast to them and their friends and they will look for another soft touch to illegally chance entry. That is the whole point. They know what they can and will get once they enter. That encourages the illegal entry.

Why do you think they are all literally queuing up on the French coast? The benefits are worth the risk in their minds. As soon as they know they will get jack, they won't bother, that is the way of the migrant.

And they know that there is an army of helpers and legal aid (at our expense) ready to help them stay. They just have to get here first. Then they know that if they say the right things, conveniently lose their documents, then the odds are in their favour. They just need to get here to access all this aid.

There are not many sent back due to the legal appeals process and sheer scale of monitoring them. Hundreds a day land, but how many do you ever hear about being sent back. None. They are all then in the legal process for years, funded by us, helped by dubious legal firms on the gravy train.

If they are genuine asylum seekers they will use lawful entry processes, and keep their documents to support their claim. Not lie.

As noted above, they are migrants, they want all the free stuff they don't get at home and don't get in any of the 10 safe countries they pass through on their migration.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I no longer give to the RNLI, from a while back when I learnt what they were doing regarding these illegals.

Yeah yeah, they do a good job and all that, and they are in a difficult position. But as I'm already paying some illegal's phone bill, there accommodation bill, food bill, clothing bill, medical care, legal fees, education and everything else really that comes from their illegality , I thought I'd make a stand on moral grounds.

Ashamed to say it and it really goes against the grain, but I agree with you. After seeing what's going on, I would no longer donate to RNLI.

 

[JP_]

If they know they won't be allowed to stay, then the word will get around pretty fast to them and their friends and they will look for another soft touch to illegally chance entry.

But, why are you so sure they won't be allowed to stay?

 

[JP_]

Why do you think they are all literally queuing up on the French coast?

Plenty of people say this is the case - maybe they are all exaggerating the problem

 

[AngleEyes]

The humanitarian solution is to provide funds to neighbouring countries to help them assist those fleeing,

So it's not the cost of accommodating refugees, it's their presence alongside you?
Says it all!

 

[AngleEyes]

.... and have a reasonable chance of getting back to the homes they reluctantly left once the cause has been resolved.

How long do you think that will take, especially with countries like UK continuing to supply the arms used by rogue states and their enemies?
One generation, two or more?

Then there's climate change refugees to come..........

 

[AngleEyes]

. Once they are safe wherever they end up. They can apply to go wherever they want under the same rules everyone else applies.

That process is open to them already as refugees. It's written in the UN Charter.

 

[AngleEyes]

The solution is to tow the damn boats back to France.

Or as soon as the illegal is found in Blighty, give them a cuppa while they wait for a plane to take them back to whence they came or somewhere safe near home.

That is the message that should be given, and the one that every illegal can text back on their free phone to their friends and family who are waiting safely in one of the 10 countries they are passing through.

Your proposed solution relies on conditions that do not exist. That makes it a non-starter.
It's akin to building a brick wall without the first few courses of bricks.

 

[AngleEyes]

That encourages the illegal entry.

You are still predicating your argument on a false premise. That makes your arguments illogical.

Any argument based on a false predicate is not only illogical, it is bound to fail.
It's akin to building a wall on an absence of, or insufficient foundation.

 

[AngleEyes]

If they know they won't be allowed to stay,

I suspect you've also made the argument, that if they know they'll drown.

 

[AngleEyes]

The benefits are worth the risk in their minds.

Would you travel thousands of miles, perhaps on foot on an arduous journey, then risk drowning in a sea crossing for £38 per week, and the risk of being returned to your country of origin?

It is only when you see the benefits of safety, security and prosperity, for them and their family, that 'the benefits' become worth the risk.
Those benefits can only be gained by hard work and education. And the refugees, once granted asylum are only too eager to give back to the society that provided them and their family with those real benefits of safety, security and potential prosperity.

Let's not undo that goodwill gained, by prejudice, hatred and discrimination shown towards refugees and their descendants.

 

[AngleEyes]

I would no longer donate to RNLI.

I'll make up your shortfall. How much was it?

 

[^woody^]

You are still predicating your argument on a false premise.

It's the same principle that is the cornerstone of all societal law and order. If you break the law you will be punished, so the deterrence is to not break the law as the punishment outweigh the action.

Obviously if people know they can break the law and then will receive a load of benefits, they will continue to do so

 

[AngleEyes]

If they are genuine asylum seekers they will use lawful entry processes,

FFS, I've asked multiple times for anyone to explain what those supposed lawful entry processes are supposed to be. So far there's been no answer.