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^woody^ said:
It's the same principle that is the cornerstone of all societal law and order. If you break the law you will be punished, so the deterrence is to not break the law as the punishment outweigh the action.

Obviously if people know they can break the law and then will receive a load of benefits, they will continue to do so
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FFS, there is no law breaking. Refugees are legally entitled to enter a foreign country and claim asylum.
If you persist in predicating your argument on a false premise, all you are doing is demonstrating your head-in-the-sand approach.

Do you build walls without the foundations or omitting the first few courses of bricks? :rolleyes:
 
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AngleEyes said:
FFS, I've asked multiple times for anyone to explain what those supposed lawful entry processes are supposed to be. So far there's been no answer.
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It does seem there are lots of things you do not actually know

Are you seeking asylum, or just want to come and get benefits in the UK?

Just because you don't know how to act lawfully, does imply you can act unlawfully. Again a cornerstone of a civilised lawful society.
 
That’s the problem with a sea border difficult to stop any one coming across ?

The advantage to a land border in this instance is you can build a fence
Police it
Use tear gas
Water cannons etc

water cannons are illegal in the UK
We should follow the rest of Europe and legalise the equipment
 
^woody^ said:
It does seem there are lots of things you do not actually know

Are you seeking asylum, or just want to come and get benefits in the UK?

Just because you don't know how to act lawfully, does imply you can act unlawfully. Again a cornerstone of a civilised lawful society.
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Refugees are legally entitled to arrive in a foreign country and claim asylum. There is no law breaking!
You're just reiterating your false argument over and over again.

If you claim there are legal entry processes for refugees, then please explain to the forum what these legal entry processes are for refugees.
Because, despite your claim that they exist, you do not know what those processes are. :rolleyes:
 
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transam said:
That’s the problem with a sea border difficult to stop any one coming across ?
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A civilised society would provide a safe route.

And your comparison with EU borders is an entirely different scenario,. Belarus weaponised refugees. That's a war crime.
 
transam said:
That’s the problem with a sea border difficult to stop any one coming across ?

The advantage to a land border in this instance is you can build a fence
Police it
Use tear gas
Water cannons etc

water cannons are illegal in the UK
We should follow the rest of Europe and legalise the equipment
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What do you suggest the border force do?
Use water canons on boats overloaded with refugees. That would be probably be murder. :rolleyes:
I'll refrain from using an insulting profane word to describe your idea.
 
AngleEyes said:
FFS, there is no law breaking. Refugees are legally entitled to enter a foreign country and claim asylum.
If you persist in predicating your argument on a false premise, all you are doing is demonstrating your head-in-the-sand approach.

Do you build walls without the foundations or omitting the first few courses of bricks? :rolleyes:
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Do you read previous posts?

They are migrants everyone knows it and they know it - sneaking in illegally to get benefits. They only become a self-proclaimed "refugees" when they are picked up by a RNLI Uber or land on the beach in Blighty and then claim "I am a refugee, give me asylum" as otherwise if they say "I am an illegal migrant, where are the benefits?" they know they wont get them.

That's why the boats are 99% full of young males. Not older people, not families, young blokes.

That's why they sneak in illegally across the English Channel, and not via formal asylum channels

That's why they travel through 10 safe countries, Christian countries when gays wont be persecuted either, before illegally sneaking into the UK.
 
^woody^ said:
Do you read previous posts?
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You obviously don't! :rolleyes:

^woody^ said:
They are migrants everyone knows it and they know it - sneaking in illegally to get benefits. They only become a self-proclaimed "refugees" when they are picked up by a RNLI Uber or land on the beach in Blighty and then claim "I am a refugee, give me asylum" as otherwise if they say "I am an illegal migrant, where are the benefits?" they know they wont get them.

That's why the boats are 99% full of young males. Not older people, not families, young blokes.

That's why they sneak in illegally across the English Channel, and not via formal asylum channels

That's why they travel through 10 safe countries, Christian countries when gays wont be persecuted either, before illegally sneaking into the UK.
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AngleEyes said:
Refugees are legally entitled to arrive in a foreign country and claim asylum. There is no law breaking!
You're just reiterating your false argument over and over again.

If you claim there are legal entry processes for refugees, then please explain to the forum what these legal entry processes are for refugees.
Because, despite your claim that they exist, you do not know what those processes are. :rolleyes:
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You just repeat ad nauseum your fatuous comments.
And despite your persistent reference to "via formal asylum channels" you can't identify what these mystical channels are.
 
AngleEyes said:
If you claim there are legal entry processes for refugees, then please explain to the forum what these legal entry processes are for refugees.
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The legal process is that you escape the country persecuting you or where the war is, and then enter the NEXT SAFE COUNTRY.

Not travel through the next 10 safe countries.

Now if there was a war in France or the French started hounding the Christians and the gays, then yes by all means those being persecuted could lawfully come across the channel, or go over the borders to several other NEIGHBOURING countries, all acceptable and all legal.
 
^woody^ said:
The legal process is that you escape the country persecuting you or where the war is, and then enter the NEXT SAFE COUNTRY.
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Pure unadulterated bullcrap.
There is no such definition of a legal process.

If you think there is, please find a creditable reference to it.
 
^woody^ said:
Do you read previous posts?
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AngleEyes said:
You obviously don't! :rolleyes:

You just repeat ad nauseum your fatuous comments.
And despite your persistent reference to "via formal asylum channels" you can't identify what these mystical channels are.
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^woody^ said:
So it has to be done illegally then in your mind
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That is called denialism.
In the psychology of human behavior, denialism is a person's choice to deny reality as a way to avoid a psychologically uncomfortable truth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism#:~:text=Denialism is an essentially irrational,accept an empirically verifiable reality.
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You're not alone on here suffering from denialism.
 
JohnD said:
Do you think that there is a legal and safe route?

There isn't, but do you think there is one?

What do you think it is?
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Your comment "there is no safe route" implies that you condone their illegal entry to the UK. And as always you will dodge questions about your own assertions.

However you seem to forget that the illegals are already safe in France. There is no legitimate reason for them to even attempt their illegal entry to the UK
 
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