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Edward Colston statue: Four cleared of criminal damage

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motorbiking said:
I stand corrected. though I can't agree.
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And...if it wasn't for slavery many black people would not be in this (and other such) countries today enjoying their freedom.

David Starkey said that a while ago and got de-platformed!
 
andy11 said:
And...if it wasn't for slavery many black people would not be in this (and other such) countries today enjoying their freedom.

David Starkey said that a while ago and got de-platformed!
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Andy11 thinks that slavery is doing people a favour. :rolleyes:
 
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned in the thread, however the prism through which we want to view the UKs history is of relevance here. At present, we have monuments and statues all over the UK of people that contributed to the building of the commonwealth etc etc. Some of those people will have been involved in activities that we today find questionable or downright wrong that, in their time, were either perfectly acceptable or not considered as questionable by the masses.

That has changed.

Given monuments and statues are usually erected to remember someone in a positive light, the question we need to ask ourselves as a nation is do we want these monuments and statues left on display in their current locations if there is evidence the person was involved in one or more activities we don't accept today. Or do we want them removed to e.g. museums with blurb added referring to their (now) questionable activities. Or do we want them removed and crushed.

Obviously there are lots of variables, which is where much of the argument emanates from I think.

I suspect in years to come, the majority will be removed and younger generations will question why they were on display in the first place. Some might call that a win for woke. Some will call it progress. I'm not being drawn either way, simply observing.
 
andy11 said:
Not all slavery was bad, and not all slave owners were cruel.
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Eh?!?

It's irrelevant if some slaves ended up happy with their lot, it's also irrelevant if some slave owners treated them well. Slavery is and was wrong. I suspect many thought so even back then, however because the law allowed it ...
 
motorbiking said:
Nobody here is saying slavery was a good thing
Nobody is making racists comments, People are defending Colston entirely based on the laws and norms of the day. Remember he died over 100 years before it was abolished.
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I think that aspect relates to why a statue may have been taken down. Some people associate slavery with modern racism. Other than displacing some people it isn't but the displacement could be seen as a root cause. What would happen if they hadn't been moved from one country to another?

Fact of life tearing a statue down is criminal damage unless the person who owns it decides to. It's vandalism how ever it's looked at but very newsworthy for a relatively small group of people who instigated it.

There is mention of a lot of taken down, intend to take down on this page. It's odd politicians are involved or is it? Are people trying to whitewash history? Change it or what?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...ials_removed_during_the_George_Floyd_protests
 
Said on the news that it may be taken back to court (appeal court)
For a review ???
 
They have to do something, you can't have every citizen smith ripping up public property under the banner of perceived lawful excuse. In fact cases like this encourage more to try the defence. Protestors need to avoid damaging other people's property. That curly haired antivaxxer will be up next, claiming she was destroying weapons of mass destruction next.

on that subject, have they found and arrested her yet?
 
motorbiking said:
They have to do something, you can't have every citizen smith ripping up public property under the banner of perceived lawful excuse. In fact cases like this encourage more to try the defence. Protestors need to avoid damaging other people's property. That curly haired antivaxxer will be up next, claiming she was destroying weapons of mass destruction next.

on that subject, have they found and arrested her yet?
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People need to be aware that it was a publicity stunt by a rather limited number of people. It's worked too. They often do.
 
I think those protesters should be more concerned with the modern slavery that is going on right now in this country instead of what happened elsewhere hundreds of years ago.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
Eh?!?

It's irrelevant if some slaves ended up happy with their lot, it's also irrelevant if some slave owners treated them well. Slavery is and was wrong. I suspect many thought so even back then, however because the law allowed it ...
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In many cases the slaves would have been worse off had they been left in Africa.
 
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