Should England/UK Leave NATO, The UN & Stop giving money to WHO
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Re NATO and no fly zone. ATM our clown is saying no rightly so but what if another nato country one of the many joins in and then putin attacks that country - A very good reason to leave NATO
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Regardless of the politics behind the threat, NATO is still a great idea. It is defensive, it simply says, "we are united, if you attack one of us, we will all fight back".
If Ukraine was already part of NATO, we wouldn't be in this situation now.
If Ukraine was already part of NATO, we wouldn't be in this situation now.
We would have had a nuclear war years ago in Ukriane was in NATO EG, The Donbas and Criemea dominated by Russian speaking pro Russians on the who felt victimised by the far-right and there is and was an element of that there and still is. A fact, an element of the far right is in every country but stating the facts.
Fact - Ukraine's gov stopped trying to stop the Russian language in schools - why??? The languages should have been left up to individual schools imo and the ban was broader than that I think
For the ****-stirring parasites that misquote me and twist my comments, don't.
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Do you want to rephrase that?
In Russian?
There is a bizarre aspect about NATO past original members. Why intensify NATO troop and gear in for instance eastern europe when being in NATO is seen to protect them. When push comes to shove it does but in Russia's case the results of an attack could finish life as we know it.
Then undercurrents such as missile interception being stationed there said to be to protect against Iranian missiles. USA activity. Didn't happen so was achieved in a different way. Iran with nukes and missiles though - I wonder.Maybe they have.
One of Russias demands is that USA warheads go home. A google produced this
In 2021, it is estimated that there are 100 U.S.-owned nuclear weapons stored in five NATO member states across six bases: Kleine Brogel in Belgium, Büchel Air Base in Germany, Aviano and Ghedi Air Bases in Italy, Volkel Air Base in the Netherlands, and Incirlik in Turkey.
Turkey - that is the one that caused the Cuban missile crisis.
Things have really improved. LOL Would you feel paranoid? It's not surprising that Russia has ~ 1/2 the war heads that are around.
Then undercurrents such as missile interception being stationed there said to be to protect against Iranian missiles. USA activity. Didn't happen so was achieved in a different way. Iran with nukes and missiles though - I wonder.Maybe they have.
One of Russias demands is that USA warheads go home. A google produced this
In 2021, it is estimated that there are 100 U.S.-owned nuclear weapons stored in five NATO member states across six bases: Kleine Brogel in Belgium, Büchel Air Base in Germany, Aviano and Ghedi Air Bases in Italy, Volkel Air Base in the Netherlands, and Incirlik in Turkey.
Turkey - that is the one that caused the Cuban missile crisis.
Things have really improved. LOL Would you feel paranoid? It's not surprising that Russia has ~ 1/2 the war heads that are around.
Any armchair warriors here in the west/Russia and the stupid Chima leaders etc think they will be immune for a nuke fallout have less than one brain cell
Russin has ICBM of 5000kt capacity. No country has the capacity to knock out a ICBM. The USA has some sort of defence against possibly 1 or 2 but russian has around 5k nukes and not sure how many are ICBM but they are in their thousands
People bigging up Ukraine need to look clsoely what went in Donbas for the last 8 years and in Ukraine, the banning of the Russian lingo is schools and public building - both side have made mistakes and the west has been winding up the leaders of Ukraine since the overthrow of the pro russian fart.
Not to worry, Putim Boris. Biden, those at the top in china, Russia, USA have their places reserved in deep bunkers with years of food supplies and med - its the ordianry people on all side that will lose everything.
I'm not sure if the opposition has a reserved place in a bunker
I'm surprised those that can afford it are not moving to Newzealand, sour America and people buying materials to build shelters and buying longlife foods
Russin has ICBM of 5000kt capacity. No country has the capacity to knock out a ICBM. The USA has some sort of defence against possibly 1 or 2 but russian has around 5k nukes and not sure how many are ICBM but they are in their thousands
People bigging up Ukraine need to look clsoely what went in Donbas for the last 8 years and in Ukraine, the banning of the Russian lingo is schools and public building - both side have made mistakes and the west has been winding up the leaders of Ukraine since the overthrow of the pro russian fart.
Not to worry, Putim Boris. Biden, those at the top in china, Russia, USA have their places reserved in deep bunkers with years of food supplies and med - its the ordianry people on all side that will lose everything.
I'm not sure if the opposition has a reserved place in a bunker
I'm surprised those that can afford it are not moving to Newzealand, sour America and people buying materials to build shelters and buying longlife foods
So the Russian social media stooge is now pivoting to attempt to destabilise Nato by trying to start an anti Nato dialogue.
Why is the person allowed to continue posting this clearly pro-Russia propaganda?
the pro-Putin trolls are feeding a few propaganda lines
that resistance is useless and will only make the invasion worse
that Russia will not take the whole country, just wants it to give up its independence and agree not to join EU or NATO, and give up the East, and the South, and its elected government.
That Ukraine was threatening to attack Russia
that Ukraine was always a part of Russia and therefore does not have the right to self-determination
that Ukraine hates Russians and so has been persecuting and exterminating Ukrainian citizens who want to retain their Russian heritage
that Ukrainians are Nazis and Fascists so should not be allowed to run the country
that the invading Russian forces are peace loving neighbours offering the hand of friendship to their brothers and just want to live in harmony and just brought their tanks and guns because, er, um....
that invading and occupying Ukraine is not an act of war, but peacekeepers in Ukraine or a no-fly zone in Ukraine offered by anybody else would be an act of war against Russia
that Russia has lots of nukes and nobody else had better stick their nose in or it will be the worse for them
have you noticed any other lines being used?
that resistance is useless and will only make the invasion worse
that Russia will not take the whole country, just wants it to give up its independence and agree not to join EU or NATO, and give up the East, and the South, and its elected government.
That Ukraine was threatening to attack Russia
that Ukraine was always a part of Russia and therefore does not have the right to self-determination
that Ukraine hates Russians and so has been persecuting and exterminating Ukrainian citizens who want to retain their Russian heritage
that Ukrainians are Nazis and Fascists so should not be allowed to run the country
that the invading Russian forces are peace loving neighbours offering the hand of friendship to their brothers and just want to live in harmony and just brought their tanks and guns because, er, um....
that invading and occupying Ukraine is not an act of war, but peacekeepers in Ukraine or a no-fly zone in Ukraine offered by anybody else would be an act of war against Russia
that Russia has lots of nukes and nobody else had better stick their nose in or it will be the worse for them
have you noticed any other lines being used?
its all the west’s fault ?
I don't think he is a fruit cake. I think he's deliberately trying to manipulate the dialogue by trying to gain credibility by pretending to dislike Putin and then gradually turning the dialogue into disparaging the Western leaders, Nato etc.let’s face it this humanitarian bloke is a total fruit cake imo
His posts are far to frequent and detailed to just be the ramblings of a fruit cake. I think he's a Russian social media manipulator, or maybe he is just a fruit cake and i'm seeing conspiracy where there is none.
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