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They were probably hoping to use money saved by sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda.
As if the Tory haters thought that those who care about fairness and decency would just sit there quietly and wave them off, lol. You are so naïve boyo it's laughable.
 
How is sending refugees to Rwanda going to save the UK taxpayer money?
Among the boat people today were an Afghan, an Egyptian, an Iraqi and an Albanian: how does sending any one of those nationalities to Rwanda help anybody?
The idea as I understand it, is to send single men arriving in the UK by dinghy to Rwanda to process their claim for asylum. The reasons given for this is two-fold. To thwart the smuggling gangs and to prevent deaths of those crossing the channel. Once these single men learn that there is a fair chance of them being sent to Rwanda for processing, it should dissuade those people from forking out thousands to get here.

How did the Afghan, Egyptian, IraqI and Albanians get here? How much did they pay? How many safe countries did they pass through to risk their lives in the British channel?

Once the message gets through, there shouldn’t be many being sent to Rwanda.
 
And yet it was announced yesterday that job vacancies are at an "all time high" at 1.3m.

Perhaps if all the lazy so-and so's got a job they could look after themselves for a change and would not need yet another payment for doing jack.

The really irritating thing, is that if the Government does one thing to reduce benefits/get the people who can work to actually work, the liberal left are up in arms. Surely they must realise that the workers subsidising the work-shy is unsustainable and has a cost
 
And yet it was announced yesterday that job vacancies are at an "all time high" at 1.3m.

Perhaps if all the lazy so-and so's got a job they could look after themselves for a change and would not need yet another payment for doing jack.

The really irritating thing, is that if the Government does one thing to reduce benefits/get the people who can work to actually work, the liberal left are up in arms. Surely they must realise that the workers subsidising the work-shy is unsustainable and has a cost
Great speech - go Maggie!

Perhaps wages are just so crap and have NEVER been lower...?
 
The idea as I understand it, is to send single men arriving in the UK by dinghy to Rwanda to process their claim for asylum. The reasons given for this is two-fold. To thwart the smuggling gangs and to prevent deaths of those crossing the channel. Once these single men learn that there is a fair chance of them being sent to Rwanda for processing, it should dissuade those people from forking out thousands to get here.

How did the Afghan, Egyptian, IraqI and Albanians get here? How much did they pay? How many safe countries did they pass through to risk their lives in the British channel?

Once the message gets through, there shouldn’t be many being sent to Rwanda.

That's the argument put forward by the Home Office and i wonder how that message will get through to them. English is, usually, the second language of these people and i don't see how telling them to stop in France will persuade them. Some of these people have skill that can help them settle into a community so the argument should be; why should they receive benefits from a system to which they haven't subscribed by being a citizen of the UK and then be given a job over the heads of naturalised citizens already here and struggling through?

And let's say, for the sake of argument, the 'flights-to-Rwanda' scheme actually works - i read the flight stopped at Gatwick cost the taxpayer £500.ooo - and i imagine they won't get any cheaper - but for now, that's a million quid for two flights. If 5.000 immigrants make it across before 'the message gets through', then it's 2.5 billion...assuming the flow of refugees are eventually stopped.

And the truth is, they won't stop.
The Taliban are becoming more intolerant and stricter with their adherence to sharia law. Iraq is infested with sectarian prejudice and an economy in the tank. Albania is one of the poorest nations in the world. Egypt is only held together by the military and that's not including the mess Syria is in after our ill-fated intervention.

Seems to me, our government has helped to create this mess and is making a mess of sorting it out.
 
That's the argument put forward by the Home Office and i wonder how that message will get through to them. English is, usually, the second language of these people and i don't see how telling them to stop in France will persuade them. Some of these people have skill that can help them settle into a community so the argument should be; why should they receive benefits from a system to which they haven't subscribed by being a citizen of the UK and then be given a job over the heads of naturalised citizens already here and struggling through?

And let's say, for the sake of argument, the 'flights-to-Rwanda' scheme actually works - i read the flight stopped at Gatwick cost the taxpayer £500.ooo - and i imagine they won't get any cheaper - but for now, that's a million quid for two flights. If 5.000 immigrants make it across before 'the message gets through', then it's 2.5 billion...assuming the flow of refugees are eventually stopped.

And the truth is, they won't stop.
The Taliban are becoming more intolerant and stricter with their adherence to sharia law. Iraq is infested with sectarian prejudice and an economy in the tank. Albania is one of the poorest nations in the world. Egypt is only held together by the military and that's not including the mess Syria is in after our ill-fated intervention.

Seems to me, our government has helped to create this mess and is making a mess of sorting it out.
So what’s your solution? Free ferries to the UK for all and sundry who can make it to Calais plus free housing and spending money while we look at your claim?
 
So what’s your solution? Free ferries to the UK for all and sundry who can make it to Calais plus free housing and spending money while we look at your claim?
don't ask me, man, i only work here.:mrgreen:
Besides, many of them aren't given free housing and some of those places are so run down you'd be prosecuted by the RSPCA if they found a dog in those houses. 'Spending money' implies they're being given enough to go shopping for goodies while the truth is they have just enough to feed themselves.
Maybe the government can start by making sure the civil service has enough people to process the applications, rather than sacking them.
 
don't ask me, man, i only work here.:mrgreen:
Besides, many of them aren't given free housing and some of those places are so run down you'd be prosecuted by the RSPCA if they found a dog in those houses. 'Spending money' implies they're being given enough to go shopping for goodies while the truth is they have just enough to feed themselves.
Maybe the government can start by making sure the civil service has enough people to process the applications, rather than sacking them.
Okay not exactly free housing but they will be given somewhere to live and presumably be tracked and not left on the streets. For 'spending money' read 'subsistence money'. How much do you think it would cost to put an unlimited number of people claiming refugee status into shelter and give them subsistence payments? Don’t forget other incidentals like health and dental care, support as well as education. Can you see the potential problems we would face if we didn’t make it a bit difficult to just rock up on our shores?
 
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Maybe the government can start by making sure the civil service has enough people to process
The wages paid to civil servants come from tax revenue from people working.

You do see the problem with giving out that limited money to support people that won't work, or people who come here to sponge off the state and the work of others?
 
The UK is always willing to take people with certain skills from abroad, like doctors or fruit pickers, but the trouble with refugees is it isn't always obvious what they can bring to the country. The trouble with the governments proposed solutions are optics: how the measures are perceived by the public. Sending these people to another African country seems unreasonable and uncaring.

The wages paid to civil servants come from tax revenue from people working.

You do see the problem with giving out that limited money to support people that won't work, or people who come here to sponge off the state and the work of others?

And there's always a percentage of those people in any given demographic: how many are already here and doing just that?
 
The UK is always willing to take people with certain skills from abroad, like doctors or fruit pickers, but the trouble with refugees is it isn't always obvious what they can bring to the country.
Then they should apply as workers, stating what they can bring to the UK and not just chance ot as a refugee.
 
Then they should apply as workers, stating what they can bring to the UK and not just chance ot as a refugee.
Fair enough, but how and where are they to apply?
These people are poor and expect a democratic country like the UK to take heed of their plight, just as America should.

I still think the Tories have managed to shift attention away from the tax-dodging fekkers who can afford to pay their way out of trouble on to people who cannot afford expensive lawyers to argue their way round Lady Law.

Wasn't Theresa May trying to get them away from their image of ' the Nasty Party ' ?
That went well.

Strong and Stable government they said.
Good Grief.
Cock-ups and Chaos is all they've managed to create.

International perception of our country has plummeted in the past ten years and it still hasn't reached rock bottom. The world is changing and Tories simply cannot adapt to this evolving society that demands better service from politicians who just can't meet the needs of people who cannot make ends meet.
 
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