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Those NGOs were rightly stopped from ferrying migrants from “sender” to “receiver” rather than returning them to sender which was the closest port.
Even Keir doesn’t want 'open borders' to help the NHS.
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Right or wrong you are not addressing the real problem of people arriving or trying to arrive.
If the system is that poor that they are unlikely to be returned , even if not likely to be accepted, then all you are doing is trying to catch those crossing, not deter them.
How come they handle their own as do a number of EU countries.
I fail to understand why people keep coming up with irrelevances but feel free keep it up, The in safe country is irrelevant as well.
Some seem to think all migrants want to come here. They most definitely don't.Italy has a boat problem as well. Some get stopped at source - same here but the crossing is far more dangerous so larger ships pick them up, These need to go into a port. They have been know to go through the people in them and refuse entry to some and leave them on the boat. There can be a lot arriving in one go. This is similar to what happens if migrants managed to get on a ferry from France and were found to have no visa or passport etc. They become the problem for who ever owns the ferry. Italy has also refused entry of one. Probably to allow time to process the people. The captain of that boat says he has to enter due to safety concerns about the people and his crew. He can only support them for so long etc. No further news. One interesting aspect might be apparent to those who have been on a stop over cruise. A boarding pass is needed to get back on the boat.
Rwanda. Probably turn out to be a method of deporting rejects. Women and kids figure. Are they going to stick them on a plane and dump them there? The alternative - UK states we don't accept any refugees any more. If there are arrivals what to do with them?
Yes it's all so simple so carry on spouting.
What's been happening in the EU
ec.europa.eu
They are set to tighten up more as well.
Enforcement of immigration legislation statistics - Statistics Explained
EU statistics on the enforcement of immigration legislation providing information on non-EU citizens who were refused entry at EU borders and non-EU citizens who were ordered to leave the EU.
ec.europa.eu
They are set to tighten up more as well.
They must, under the UNHCR respect the principle of non-refoulement, that is not returning refugees to a non safe place where they would be subject yet again to torture, persecution, etc.
Most of those countries listed in the previous comment have resorted to blocking the boats in port under technical maritime regulations, such as: having too many life jackets onboard. (I kid you not!)
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The "real problem" is that our politicians are ignoring the fact that the British public do not want the country to be overrun by foreigners. An improved system and process will just encourage more to come.
Very, very foolish words. Labour and Conservative politicians are all the same.
And even if they weren't, you should know that politicians break their promises once elected.
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No. Just the opposite.
once people know they will be returned if they are not genuine, the attraction to spend a lot of money to get here will reduce.
Not doing anything is why people keep trying to get here.
it's not rocket science. But it does need competence. We don't have that.
just pretending we can close our borders or blame others is avoiding the problem
One could easily take the alternative view that the Government are intentionally causing and promoting that ill-feeling by intentionally creating difficulties of accommodation and processing of asylum seekers.
There's a not so subtle difference between a party's manifesto not being honoured when they are in Government, and any idle promises made by individual MPs who must be aware that they are incapable of carrying out any promised policy on their own say so.
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Wishful thinking.
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Only because we haven't got an efficient system. Its what is needed.
What other choice is there? Everything else is just arguing about who they are or where they are from, not about right to stay or be returned.
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If you lay the figutes out on how many we take, ( ~ a third of the number of France, or Gernany) there is a weakish argument for taking fewer.
On bad routes to getting here, there's a strong argument for reducing certain sections.
If we had a fair, decent and respectable method for people to apply for asylum, it's reasonable to assume there would be more applicants than make it on expensive, illegal, dangerous boats.
We are letting ourselves be constrained on reducing the boats, by decades-old agreements which need updating.
If we had a better application method, or an updated set of rules, we'd have to take more.
So, if we simply want few as possible "getting in", what we have is working, to a point.
Is it a case of the ends justify the means, so put up and shut up?
On bad routes to getting here, there's a strong argument for reducing certain sections.
If we had a fair, decent and respectable method for people to apply for asylum, it's reasonable to assume there would be more applicants than make it on expensive, illegal, dangerous boats.
We are letting ourselves be constrained on reducing the boats, by decades-old agreements which need updating.
If we had a better application method, or an updated set of rules, we'd have to take more.
So, if we simply want few as possible "getting in", what we have is working, to a point.
Is it a case of the ends justify the means, so put up and shut up?
Perhaps but it runs foul of international laws if it was all as some would like. The politicians know this.
Perhaps the Tory wanted all of Farage's votes. Actually he's likely to influence all to some extent.
Not if it's a case of the Government intentionally manipulating the system and accommodation failures to create and intensify anti-refugee sentiment.
That's blatant manipulation of the electorate, very Trumpesque style.
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How institutionalised you sound to think there is no other choice.
We are faced with only two choices of political party, both equally awful; and the obstacles facing any other party, if there was a decent one, are insurmountable. Democracy is dead in our country. I am certain that Labour will win at the next General Election, and then all will be hope, peace and light - for a short time only though, when we realise that the same problems are occurring and so we will vote the Tories back in, and so on and so on.
Only some form of revolution could save us.
The people of Sri Lanka recently overthrew their government. That government had so crippled the economy with Net Zero and Covid restrictions as to cause food shortages and widespread destitution. The people found out where individual politicians lived, went round to their houses and literally ran them out of the country. In Romania not so long ago, the people killed the corrupt ruler (Caucescu) and his wife. Further back in time in our own history we chopped off a king's head.
