Even Keir doesn’t want 'open borders' to help the NHS.

[motorbiking]

What would be interesting to hear is whether anyone who voted brexit enjoyed their freedom of movement in the EU prior to their decision...

Whether that be for employment/study/living...

And why did they decide to deny those rights to the generations to come?

Voted Leave - spend quite a bit of time in the "EU". The process to continue, post Brexit, is painless. Nobody should have the unrestricted right to burden another country just because of some poorly thought out policy. Its actually better now as I can avoid some taxes in certain situations.

 

[Pat ex]

Comparison per capita is just a way for pro asylum organisations to push us down the list and make out it’s not all that bad. Cyprus, malta, Luxembourg etc. hardly relevant comparisons.

comparison per capita is an entirely relevant comparison: it directly relates asylum claim numbers to population.

Im not sure how on Earth you can claim it’s not relevant.


Interesting how you picked out some small countries whilst conveniently missing Germany, France, Spain, Netherlands, Switzerland.

If the comparison data is per capita, then the size of the country is irrelevant.
It's like an American and a Brit arguing about which country is the most successful wheat producer.
The American would say that US produces more wheat, so they must be more successful. But the Brit would say that UK produces more wheat per hectare than US. The per hectare criteria removes the 'size of territory' comparison.
Therefore any per capita, reduces all comparisons to be equal.

 

[ajohn]

Who are these greedy rich owners of the NHS?

The Tory currently. Blair did help a bit and then had comments from the IMF that he couldn't afford it.

 

[ajohn]

Its actually better now as I can avoid some taxes in certain situations.

About sums you up.

 

[Pat ex]

Why would you want to deny the fact that the UK has an illegal immigrant problem? Roughly 1/2 to 3/4 of a million people living here.

You can't say how many illegal migrants there are, simply because there's no way of counting them.
The best guess is from a Tory government estimate, and of course they're not going to massage the 'guess', are they.

 

[Pat ex]

Undocumented resident population as a percentage of the population.

anyway, back to your numbers. From the UNHCR
View attachment 284848

https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/download/?url=I54rCv

Asylum Applications, Year 2022

Your link does not show what you claim it shows.
As Dozy Suzy suggested, it appears to be a carefully designed search criteria to represent "populations by country of asylum by population type" whatever that is supposed to be.
Can you explain what your chart purports to show, and provide the search criteria that you used to extract that data?

 

[Pat ex]

You don't have the evidence to prove that hypothesis:

1. We don't know how many make it here and disappear
2. We don't know how many who are accepted have gamed the system.

For example we know the criminal gangs are advising their clients to claim asylum due to being trafficked or are in debt to criminal gangs. Both likely to be as a result of coming here illegally, but will give them a strong chance of success.

Who's hypothesis are you referring to?
If you don't provide the relevant quote, no-one knows what you are talking about.

Your comment destroys your claim of illegal migration when you say, "We don't know how many make it here and disappear".

And your comment about "We don't know how many who are accepted have gamed the system." means your assumption is based purely on prejudice. There is no data to support your fears.

 

[Pat ex]

Voted Leave - spend quite a bit of time in the "EU". The process to continue, post Brexit, is painless. Nobody should have the unrestricted right to burden another country just because of some poorly thought out policy. Its actually better now as I can avoid some taxes in certain situations.

Everybody has a right to live a free and fair life.

The current situation may be painless for you, but for the rest of the population, the enforced restrictions, higher prices, travel difficulties, opportunity losses are very much not painless. And when the decision was based on lies, it was all a con.
But we are where we are, and it's not painless.

 

[ellal]

Voted Leave - spend quite a bit of time in the "EU". The process to continue, post Brexit, is painless.

Really?

Could you tell us of how 'painless' it is for UK citizens to require a visa for work, education, and travel over 3 months in every 6 months in any or all EU countries?

And how much it costs?

 

[Mottie]

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[Deleted member 294929]

You're mixing your winkles up with your cockles

No.....
He's mixing his winkles with his cockles

 

[Deleted member 294929]

and you fall into the right wing narrative that there are "relatively few genuine refugees claiming asylum" despite the fact the majority of the nationalities that arrive here are from countries suffering persecution and or war.

If you and your oik didn't defend and protect the illegals then would the pain and heartache be less for the genuine Asylum seekers as their applications would be approved so much quicker.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

If you and your oik didn't defend and protect the illegals then would the pain and heartache be less for the genuine Asylum seekers as their applications would be approved so much quicker.

Again you are just ignoring the real problem.

The system and the process. Until it is for for purpose we are just going to be arguing about the issue.

Until people are processed and returned quickly if appropriately then more people will just keep coming. The genuine and the non.

The issue is our Government, how long have they been getting control of this ? What have they done?

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Again you are just ignoring the real problem.

The system and the process. Until it is for for purpose we are just going to be arguing about the issue.

Until people are processed and returned quickly if appropriately then more people will just keep coming. The genuine and the non.

The issue is our Government, how long have they been getting control of this ? What have they done?

This where Kier is coming round and making the right noises. I'm beginning to think he will get my vote. In power I believe he will deal with this whole issue better as he won't get as much obstruction from saboteurs just for political gain.

 

[Notch7]

If you and your oik didn't defend and protect the illegals

But Bodd, I have never defended nor protected illegals.

I have always said, asylum claims should be processed quickly, that would mean rapid deportation of those not genuine whilst giving security and safety to the genuine asylum claimants.


Ive heard France has an arrangement to return Albanians immediately and they live in Albania whilst their claim is heard. If that’s true, then UK should explore that too.


We also have way too many visa overstayers