War Crimes...

[Highway Man]

It isn't the concept of war that is in question here, it is the level of atrocities to which the troops plunged down to that has to be addressed rather than simply dismissed!

The level of atrocities that any soldier has to endure both from witnessing and commiting is not something that you can put a label on. It is never dismissed, it goes unspoken and only becomes an issue away from the war, it requires professional psychological help to deal with, not a criminal court to deal with.

 

[Highway Man]

Early days yet but it seems there is a case for investigating as long as it’s not done by lawyers on the make. The allegations are concerning that afgan’s who helped British forces were kept out for fear they would bd called as witnesses. As for the argument that these things in war, it is often fellow soldiers who report the allegations

The soldiers reporting it usually have no choice, some soldiers have body cams on their jackets or helmets. The evidence is when everyone attempts to cover their cams and an investigation gets launched. Some soldiers feel they have to tell someone what they have seen or it can result in suicide and serious mental heath issues bottling it up.

 

[ellal]

You are the one patronising and making it even more horrendous than what it is. If someone broke into a house and commited these crimes then yes it would be the work of a maniac. You cannot call the SAS or the SBS maniacs.

I wasn't the one insinuating that someone else might be viewing war as a video game was I

And breaking into houses and committing those awful war crimes are some of the allegations made...

As for not calling special forces soldiers who are at the centre of this, would you like to tell their mates that they aren't allowed to call them maniacs or the equivalent?



"One witness who served with the SAS said that killing could become "an addictive thing to do" and that some members of the elite regiment were "intoxicated by that feeling" in Afghanistan. There were "lots of psychotic murderers", he said"

"A veteran who served with the SBS said some troops had a "mob mentality", describing their behaviour on operations as "barbaric".
I saw the quietest guys switch, show serious psychopathic traits," he said. "They were lawless. They felt untouchable."

 

[ellal]

The level of atrocities that any soldier has to endure both from witnessing and commiting is not something that you can put a label on

Yes you can...

They are called War Crimes which are internationally recognised - well apart from a few rogue nations!

it requires professional psychological help to deal with, not a criminal court to deal with.

So you would like it to be the case where there is no accountability?

And are we to assume that you would apply that logic to the 'other side'?

Because if you commit to having double standards, then you just perpetuate the violence down the ages!

 

[Highway Man]

Yes you can...

They are called War Crimes which are internationally recognised - well apart from a few rogue nations!

Yes they are Internationally recognized by governments. So how do these atrocities keep rearing up in every single war that you hear of.

 

[Highway Man]

So you would like it to be the case where there is no accountability?

And are we to assume that you would apply that logic to the 'other side'?

Accountability is pretty much the last thing on your mind, staying alive is your priority.
The same logic applies to both sides. Personally I would rather there be no wars, no war crimes and no unnecessary killing. However we don't live in a perfect world.

 

[Lirefighter]

What a bunch of bastards the BBC really are.
That will be even more serving and veteran soldiers cancelling their tv licence.
I fail to see how any of their hyperbole is in the public interest.
We have the best regular and special forces in the the world.
The so called 'British Broadcasting Corporation' goes out of its way to harm and denigrate them. The bunch of lefty woke ****s that they are.

 

[Highway Man]

What a bunch of bastards the BBC really are.
That will be even more serving and veteran soldiers cancelling their tv licence.
I fail to see how any of their hyperbole is in the public interest.
We have the best regular and special forces in the the world.
The so called 'British Broadcasting Corporation' goes out of its way to harm and denigrate them. The bunch of lefty woke ****s that they are.

same on here mate

 

[mitch66]

What a bunch of bastards the BBC really are.
That will be even more serving and veteran soldiers cancelling their tv licence.
I fail to see how any of their hyperbole is in the public interest.
We have the best regular and special forces in the the world.
The so called 'British Broadcasting Corporation' goes out of its way to harm and denigrate them. The bunch of lefty woke ****s that they are.

I haven't paid for a licence for years now. They write every month letting me know what stage of the investigation we're at. I think more people are waking up to the fact you don't have to pay them.

 

[Highway Man]

I haven't paid for a licence for years now. They write every month letting me know what stage of the investigation we're at. I think more people are waking up to the fact you don't have to pay them.

 

[Lirefighter]

I haven't paid for a licence for years now. They write every month letting me know what stage of the investigation we're at. I think more people are waking up to the fact you don't have to pay them.

It's been about 8 years for me. The letter I get every 6 months or so goes straight in the bin.

 

[Vinty]

I saw the quietest guys switch, show serious psychopathic traits,"

Probably suffering from stress, soldiers who murder civilians who pose no threat are usually a bit frightened themselves.
These things happen in all wars on all sides.
The real culprits are the politicians who send soldiers into these situations and then throw them under a bus by instigating Witch hunts.

 

[Odds]

Yes you can...

They are called War Crimes which are internationally recognised - well apart from a few rogue nations!

The difference is the British Army, to the best of my knowledge, does not have an official policy of using deadly force against a civilian population - unlike Israel which does.

So you would like it to be the case where there is no accountability?

Israel escapes such accountability because America always veto's any motion to censer their criminal activity

And are we to assume that you would apply that logic to the 'other side'?

They do. Palestine is considered a terrorist in defending their people against Israeli atrocities.

Because if you commit to having double standards, then you just perpetuate the violence down the ages!

The next generation is already searching through the rubble for their weapons in Gaza.

 

[ellal]

Accountability is pretty much the last thing on your mind, staying alive is your priority.

In a firefight, yes...

But was 'staying alive' the priority when executing prisoners and civilians including sleeping children?

I think not!

The same logic applies to both sides.

So either both sides have to be held accountable or neither side should be?

If it's the latter, then your wish for 'no wars, no war crimes and no unnecessary killing' is a non starter!

 

[ellal]

What a bunch of bastards the BBC really are.

Yeah, who do they think they are...

Investigating the truth, however uncomfortable that may be...

Same for all journalists, how dare they do the same and expose wrong doings...

Guess you must be a fan of poo tin and his methods of media control