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IS 'Beatles' pair hit out at losing UK citizenship
Two men accused of being members of the "Beatles" IS group say revoking their UK citizenship denies them a fair trial.
Alexanda Amon Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh spoke to the Associated Press while being held captive in northern Syria after they were captured in early January in eastern Syria by the US-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF).
The pair hit out at the "audacity" of the UK Government for its "illegal" decision to strip them of their British citizenship in February.
Although it was widely reported, officials have not confirmed or denied it was the case.
The men are accused of being two of four members of the "Beatles" group, which is believed to have captured, tortured and killed hostages, including aid workers and journalists.
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They were allegedly in same group as Mohammed Emwazi - dubbed "Jihadi John" - who died in a 2015 drone strike in Raqqa.
The pair have not admitted to being involved in any hostage-takings or beheadings and said the allegations against them were media "propaganda". However they did speak of their membership of the Islamic State group.
Kotey, from west London, said the killing of western hostages in Syria were "regrettable" and could have been avoided, adding that many people within Islamic State would have disagreed with the killings.
He said there was "probably more benefit" in those captured being used as political prisoners.
"I didn't see the benefit in executing them," he said, before blaming Western governments for failing to negotiate and noting that some hostages were released for ransoms.
The "Beatles" cell is believed to have kept more than 20 Western hostages and tortured and killed American, British and Japanese journalists and aid workers in 2014 and 2015.
Elsheikh, also from west London, travelled to Syria in 2012, initially to join an al Qaida branch before moving to IS, according to US State Department documents, which said he "earned a reputation for waterboarding".
They also claim Kotey served as a guard for the IS cell and was "likely engaged in the group's executions and exceptionally cruel torture methods".
The men slammed the media over the "Beatles" allegations and said the claims were concocted as a pretext to kill them with drone strikes.
"No fair trial, when I am 'the Beatle' in the media. No fair trial," Elsheikh said, who added that the loss of their citizenship meant they were now open to "rendition and torture".
He said: "Being taken to any foreign land and treated in anyway and having nobody to vouch for you.
"When you have these two guys who don't even have any citizenship... if we just disappear one day, where is my mum going to go and say where is my son?"
The capture of Kotey and Elsheikh has since sparked a debate about where they should be tried. The US has called for the home countries of foreign jihadis to take their nationals back for trial.
However, the UK Government has signalled the pair should not be allowed back into the country.
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Would save a lot of expense if they had an accident ;) or perhaps they would care to volunteer for some type of medical research into pain management ??

Or they could volunteer for some type of mine clearance programme ? pair of snow shoes and ask them to go for a walk ;)

Any of these fruit cakes that went there to join Isis , should never have been allowed back into the UK , good riddance to bad rubbish imho
 
Typical Bodd. Misses the point in his anger.

If these guys do not have another citizenship and they are stripped of their UK nationality then who will be responsible for their trial?

Either they die whilst being captured, or you get valuable info and put them in prison for life.

It's a legal issue.
 
Precisely Kankerot. Legally you cannot make someone "stateless. No matter how horrendous their crime(s).
If they have "citizenship" of another country, their UK citizenship can be revoked. If they do not have any other citizenship you cannot legally make them stateless.
I suppose one could argue that they are now citizens of the IS 'caliphate', but as the 'caliphate' does not exist and is not internationally recognised, it cannot be considered. It would be like Trump arguing that someone is a citizen of Nambia. :rolleyes:
 
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It looks like eeyore is determined to destroy every thread by turning it into a slanging match, and it is eventually closed.
He must have a little grudge.
Perhaps it is because his deviousness and dishonesty has been exposed. :eek:
 
Typical Bodd. Misses the point in his anger.

If these guys do not have another citizenship and they are stripped of their UK nationality then who will be responsible for their trial?

Either they die whilst being captured, or you get valuable info and put them in prison for life.

It's a legal issue.



I haven’t said a thing. So how do you know what I’m thinking in my anger.
 
It looks like eeyore is determined to destroy every thread by turning it into a slanging match, and it is eventually closed.
He must have a little grudge.
Perhaps it is because his deviousness and dishonesty has been exposed. :eek:

Im just trying to help you out.

I know you find citizenship a very confusing issue. You often are thinking the distinction is blurred :)
 
Im just trying to help you out.

I know you find citizenship a very confusing issue. You often are thinking the distinction is blurred :)
You are determined to turn every thread into a slanging match until it is locked.
You need to chill out and lose your feeling of guilt for being exposed as a devious liar.

So tell us what did mightygob and doggie say to you when they left and why.
 
Think it can be assumed ;) that they have already been interrogated by others ;) and any useful intel has been noted
 
I think they should be tried in this country.
Just being members of ISIS should carry a life sentence

We’re they born hear ?
 
You are determined to turn every thread into a slanging match until it is locked.
You need to chill out and lose your feeling of guilt for being exposed as a devious liar.

So tell us what did mightygob and doggie say to you when they left and why.


Wall.
Your Wrong hear it was Kank your Conrad who jump in first on this occasion.
 
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