Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

They have that right because you can't interfere with the passage of innocent boats.

In French waters - Its up to the French to enforce their laws. Dozens are broken.

It's extremely risky to start interfering with small boats overloaded with passengers.

It is no more risky to steer a boat from the bow than the stern. In fact the stability would be increased.

You've already quoted it. Do you not read your own presentations?

Do you just ignore the bits you don't like?

You seem to have.

If you put the rest of your nonsense in to a single post, I might reply.

 

[motorbiking]

We should be stopping the boats at source then this argument wouldn't even arise.

Smash the gangs

 

[Highway Man]

Smash the gangs

Yes that went well. Must surely be all behind bars by now and yet they are still arriving.,

 

[MNW67]

Don't talk wet

Was that a pun

 

[Deleted member 323070]

thats funny, the headlines stated "for the first time"

Border Force returns small boat Channel migrants to France for first time​

A Border Force vessel supported the rescue of 71 migrants in French waters on Wednesday and helped return them to France​

​

Border Force returns Channel migrants to France for first time

A Border Force vessel supported the rescue of 71 migrants in French waters on Wednesday and helped return them to France

www.independent.co.uk

It proves the dishonesty of the Mail that mbk covets.

 

[Highway Man]

Was that a pun

ha ha. now you mention it

 

[motorbiking]

It proves the dishonesty of the Mail that mbk covets.

explain?

 

[Notch7]

It is no more risky to steer a boat from the bow than the stern. In fact the stability would be increased

strawman

 

[Highway Man]

strawman

Sailor and lawyer I would say.

 

[Notch7]

So there was no point in writing article 98 then or separately agreeing SOLAS?
No coastal state has a duty to assist and everyone can be told to Foxtrot Oscar. After all it cost money to help people who need hospital care due to accidents at sea.

Or perhaps you are wrong? oh wait.. you are.

A vessel which is compelled to assist seafarers in distress is not engaging in passage that is not innocent.

you said:

Article 18, 24 and 98, UNCLOS plus SOLAS reg 33. says they must accept them.

please quote the exact wording

 

[motorbiking]

strawman

its a fact.

 

[Notch7]

its a fact.

strawmen usually are facts

you answered this:
"It's extremely risky to start interfering with small boats overloaded with passengers."

with this:
"It is no more risky to steer a boat from the bow than the stern. In fact the stability would be increased"

nowhere do you address the point that small overloaded boats are not stable

 

[motorbiking]

you said:

please quote the exact wording

Lets be clear on what you are arguing first:
A) Rescuing people in distress in French territorial waters and taking them back to French soil is non-innocent passage and the French have the right to prevent it.
B) A vessel not in French territorial waters may not enter French territorial waters to assist a Vessel in distress if it suspects they are illegals as this is not innocent passage

 

[Deleted member 323070]

They can prevent the boat entering UK waters.

It's illegal, and service personnel have refused to participate.

You are trying your best to come up with a scenario where a small boat, cannot be turned back from entering UK waters,

No need. it's illegal, by UCHR, UK and UNCLOS.

Does it magically change its status on the territorial limit?

It can do. Or it can continue for as long as it can. It's irrelevant.

It is either in distress or it isn't. The process of forcing it to turn around changes nothing.

It would be in distress, even if it wasn't before, if another vessel collided with it.
And there are rules about avoiding collisions. COLREGS.

 

[motorbiking]

strawmen usually are facts

you answered this:
"It's extremely risky to start interfering with small boats overloaded with passengers."

with this:
"It is no more risky to steer a boat from the bow than the stern. In fact the stability would be increased"

nowhere do you address the point that small overloaded boats are not stable

they do not become less stable because they are being turned around. You are welcome to lay an argument proving the reverse.