Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[motorbiking]

not if its rescued them and they are on board the British vessel

The flag of the ship is irrelevant.

well the vessel cant throw them overboard.

they need agreement from France to drop them there

nope

so they are stuck with them


hang on where is the British border force vessel going back to...............

not true. The Coastal state must assist - SAR convention chapter 2 and SOLAS reg 33.

 

[motorbiking]

Depending on the verification of the rescue, and those rescued.

nonsense - he is free to leave - the regulation say so.

Contracting Governments shall co-ordinate and co-operate to ensure that masters of ships providing assistance by embarking persons in distress at sea are released from their obligations with minimum further deviation from the ships' intended voyage, provided that releasing the master of the ship from the obligations under the current regulation does not further endanger the safety of life at sea. The Contracting Government responsible for the search and rescue region in which such assistance is rendered shall exercise primary responsibility for ensuring such co-ordination and co-operation occurs, so that survivors assisted are disembarked from the assisting ship and delivered to a place of safety, taking into account the particular circumstances of the case and guidelines developed by the Organization.

Must suck being wrong all the time.

 

[Deleted member 323070]

nonsense - he is free to leave - the regulation say so.

Not if he's contravened the regulations, e.g rescued them from inside British waters.
And it doesn't relate to dedicated rescue vessels.

Must suck being wrong all the time.

You appear to be getting used to it. Or you're enjoying it because you insist on doing it again and again and again.

 

[Notch7]

what do you understand is meant by "Rescue" or having an obligation to provide "Search and Rescue". Did you Read Chapter 2. Its quite clear.

if its "quite clear" I am sure you can quote the exact wording to support your assertion:

You said:

"Article 18, 24 and 98, UNCLOS plus SOLAS reg 33. says they must accept them."


Now Please provide the exact quote from any of those regulations that say "they must accept them"

 

[blup]

That is why Reforms success in the council elections might be a good thing.
It will give the public some idea of the true character of Reform and how it would behave if it won a General election.

Cummings is doing the media rounds saying re form could win 100 to 150 seats , with no policies, just relying on Far rage’s personality. To become PM he would need to organise a cabinet, spending plans etc, etc. Difficult to know whether Dom is chasing new business or is already on the payroll. My guess is Far rage will do his own thing even if it wins him fewer seats.

 

[motorbiking]

Not if he's contravened the regulations, e.g rescued them from inside British waters.

Nobody is suggesting people rescued in UK waters can be taken to France.

 

[Notch7]

nope

UNCLOS 19 g states it clearly:

it is clearly stated in UNCLOS 19 British vessels have no right to drop migrants back in France

UNCLOS A19 g

"the unloading of any person contrary to the customs, immigration and regulations of the coastal state"

 

[Notch7]

not true. The Coastal state must assist - SAR convention chapter 2 and SOLAS reg 33.

no neither of those state the coastal state must assist

if you think otherwise you need to provide the quote with the wording that states what you claim

 

[motorbiking]

if its "quite clear" I am sure you can quote the exact wording to support your assertion:

You said:

"Article 18, 24 and 98, UNCLOS plus SOLAS reg 33. says they must accept them."


Now Please provide the exact quote from any of those regulations that say "they must accept them"

UNCLOS 19 g states it clearly:

it is clearly stated in UNCLOS 19 British vessels have no right to drop migrants back in France

UNCLOS A19 g

"the unloading of any person contrary to the customs, immigration and regulations of the coastal state"

See here:
nice easy to read source

SOLAS V regulations

The following regulations are the elements of SOLAS V relevant to pleasure craft under 150 GT.

www.rya.org.uk

Regulation 33 - Distress Situations: Obligations and procedures​

1. The master of a ship at sea which is in a position to be able to provide assistance on receiving information from any source that persons are in distress at sea, is bound to proceed with all speed to their assistance, if possible informing them or the search and rescue service that the ship is doing so. This obligation to provide assistance applies regardless of the nationality or status of such persons or the circumstances in which they are found. If the ship receiving the distress alert is unable or, in the special circumstances of the case, considers it unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed to their assistance, the master must enter in the log-book the reason for failing to proceed to the assistance of the persons in distress, taking into account the recommendation of the Organization, to inform the appropriate search and rescue service accordingly.

1.1. Contracting Governments shall co-ordinate and co-operate to ensure that masters of ships providing assistance by embarking persons in distress at sea are released from their obligations with minimum further deviation from the ships' intended voyage, provided that releasing the master of the ship from the obligations under the current regulation does not further endanger the safety of life at sea. The Contracting Government responsible for the search and rescue region in which such assistance is rendered shall exercise primary responsibility for ensuring such co-ordination and co-operation occurs, so that survivors assisted are disembarked from the assisting ship and delivered to a place of safety, taking into account the particular circumstances of the case and guidelines developed by the Organization. In these cases the relevant Contracting Governments shall arrange for such disembarkation to be effected as soon as reasonably practicable.

What do you think that means?

 

[Notch7]

but the rescue vessel is free to leave without them. Remember the master of the ship is under no obligation to take them where they want to go

a bit tricky if they are on board the vessel

how do you leave with people youve rescued on the vessel yet leave them behind

if they weren't on board then they werent in distress in which case a British vessel has no permission to be in French territorial water

 

[motorbiking]

a bit tricky if they are on board the vessel

how do you leave with people youve rescued on the vessel yet leave them behind

if they weren't on board then they werent in distress in which case a British vessel has no permission to be in French territorial water

careful you don't pull a muscle.

 

[Notch7]

See here:
nice easy to read source

please can you highlight the exact set of words which says the coastal state "has to accept them"

Regulation 33 - Distress Situations: Obligations and procedures​

1. The master of a ship at sea which is in a position to be able to provide assistance on receiving information from any source that persons are in distress at sea, is bound to proceed with all speed to their assistance, if possible informing them or the search and rescue service that the ship is doing so. This obligation to provide assistance applies regardless of the nationality or status of such persons or the circumstances in which they are found. If the ship receiving the distress alert is unable or, in the special circumstances of the case, considers it unreasonable or unnecessary to proceed to their assistance, the master must enter in the log-book the reason for failing to proceed to the assistance of the persons in distress, taking into account the recommendation of the Organization, to inform the appropriate search and rescue service accordingly.

1.1. Contracting Governments shall co-ordinate and co-operate to ensure that masters of ships providing assistance by embarking persons in distress at sea are released from their obligations with minimum further deviation from the ships' intended voyage, provided that releasing the master of the ship from the obligations under the current regulation does not further endanger the safety of life at sea. The Contracting Government responsible for the search and rescue region in which such assistance is rendered shall exercise primary responsibility for ensuring such co-ordination and co-operation occurs, so that survivors assisted are disembarked from the assisting ship and delivered to a place of safety, taking into account the particular circumstances of the case and guidelines developed by the Organization. In these cases the relevant Contracting Governments shall arrange for such disembarkation to be effected as soon as reasonably practicable.

 

[noseall]

Nobody is suggesting people rescued in UK waters can be taken to France.

I doubt France would grant permission unless they are French citizens?

Are you suggesting British vessels blockade French waters?

 

[Notch7]

careful you don't pull a muscle.

I am sorry I keep being correct

how irritating for you

 

[motorbiking]

I am sorry I keep being correct

how irritating for you

Keep being corrected

You've had all the conventions posted at least a dozen times and you keep arguing that it's wrong. You keep arguing that a ship assisting a distress must seek permission from the coastal state, when all the text says the coastal state must assist them. You argue that rescuing people is in contravention of article 25 as per article 19 of UNCLOS, its nonsense and then you also argue that preventing illegal immigrants from entering UK waters is illegal because their passage is innocent.

you keep going around in circles.