Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

better just to turn them around before they reach the shipping lanes. Safer for everyone.
Or better still stop them when they attempt to board the boats.

It’s pretty hard to drown standing on a beach.
It is not in Frances interest in stopping them leaving.

Why would France want to end up all the ones that come here and U.K. have none.
 
We need leaders going in the right direction.

If you had someone who was heading for the cliffs, and they really intended to jump off, and you had someone else heading for a discussion on the rent, the cost of food, the cost of energy, etc, and they had your interest at heart, which one would you follow?
The one heading for the cliff because they made you feel happy? :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Or the one who you were aware would not achieve all their aims, but would be heading in the right direction? :giggle:
Try a different analogy, that one was silly. I wouldnt follow anyone over a cliff.
 
May...? Or it may not

Innocent....? Deemed by whom? What is the threshold for innocence?

Neccesary steps to prevent passage....? 'Please go back, because we want you to...'

Très ambiguous with a dollop of grey.
may = permission. as a opposed to must = obligation - not ambiguous (y)
innocent = Passage that is not innocent is defined in article 19g, you've been told this already - not ambiguous (y)
necessary steps = already explained - not ambiguous (y)

good try though.
 
Motorbiking keeps quoting various laws and claiming they state something they don’t.

Motorbikings endless stream of lies is very tedious.
your dishonest dismissal of the words, is obvious. I appreciate it's embarrassing for you to take a position base on zero knowledge, argue it for dozens of pages and find you are wrong. You must be used to it by now.
 
may = permission. as a opposed to must = obligation - not ambiguous (y)
innocent = Passage that is not innocent is defined in article 19g, you've been told this already - not ambiguous (y)
necessary steps = already explained
Nope, still just as full of holes and is toothless.

They may be able to ask them to turn around and go back. Not a deterrent at all.

Deterrent value 0/10.(n)
 
Nope, still just as full of holes and is toothless.

They may be able to ask them to turn around and go back. Not a deterrent at all.

Deterrent value 0/10.(n)
where does it say that necessary steps excludes the use of force. oh wait it doesn't. (y)
 
He's basically saying that if the people on board cant prove they are hobby sailors, they can ask them to go back to France.

FFS. (n)
Contracting Governments shall(1) co-ordinate and co-operate to ensure(2) that masters of ships providing assistance by embarking persons in distress at sea are released from their obligations with minimum further deviation from the ships' intended voyage, provided that releasing the master of the ship from the obligations under the current regulation does not further endanger the safety of life at sea. The Contracting Government responsible(3) for the search and rescue region in which such assistance is rendered shall exercise primary responsibility for ensuring such co-ordination and co-operation occurs(4), so that survivors assisted are disembarked from the assisting ship and delivered to a place of safety(5), taking into account the particular circumstances of the case and guidelines developed by the Organization. In these cases the relevant Contracting Governments shall arrange for such disembarkation to be effected as soon as reasonably practicable(6).

(1) obligation
(2) make it happen
(3)France in French waters
(4)its their job
(5)they must take them or find someone who will
(6)they have to do it quickly

even Himmy has given up arguing this one.
 
Nor does it explicitly say they are permitted to use force either. Nor will they endanger lives.
It's toothless jumbled jargon from you as per. Impotent and not a deterrent. Not even close.
Is it legal for you to go to the builders yard and buy cement? Where does it say you don't need a licence? Where does it say you are allowed to do it?

Maybe in law things are legal unless they are illegal.. oh wait.. yeah thats how it works.
 
Contracting Governments shall(1) co-ordinate and co-operate to ensure(2) that masters of ships providing assistance by embarking persons in distress at sea are released from their obligations with minimum further deviation from the ships' intended voyage, provided that releasing the master of the ship from the obligations under the current regulation does not further endanger the safety of life at sea. The Contracting Government responsible(3) for the search and rescue region in which such assistance is rendered shall exercise primary responsibility for ensuring such co-ordination and co-operation occurs(4), so that survivors assisted are disembarked from the assisting ship and delivered to a place of safety(5), taking into account the particular circumstances of the case and guidelines developed by the Organization. In these cases the relevant Contracting Governments shall arrange for such disembarkation to be effected as soon as reasonably practicable(6).

(1) obligation
(2) make it happen
(3)France in French waters
(4)its their job
(5)they must take them or find someone who will
(6)they have to do it quickly

even Himmy has given up arguing this one.
pathetic

nowhere does it say France has to accept them
 
Maybe in law things are legal unless they are illegal.
you cant push a boat back if its in distress

if you push a boat back and put it in distress you have a duty to rescue

given that the boats are non sea going inflatables that are way overloaded with people, it doesnt take at genius to work out that those boats are highly likely to not cope with being pushed back
 
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