Kasper Eriksen, arrested, shackled, thrown in prison by Trumps gestapo.

gas112 said:
Now lets think how do you initially get into the US to work oh yeah a visa and he obviously has not kept up with the terms of how he should proceed otherwise he would not be getting thrown out .
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WRONG

He didn’t return form I-751 by the deadline.

However that does not mean automatic deportation, it does state they may accept valid reasons for missing the 90 day deadline

Nor does it mean he should be detained, handcuffed, shackled and jailed




He is getting thrown out because there is a vindictive c***t in power.
 
Notch7 said:
WRONG

He didn’t return form I-751 by the deadline.

However that does not mean automatic deportation, it does state they may accept valid reasons for missing the 90 day deadline

Nor does it mean he should be detained, handcuffed, shackled and jailed




He is getting thrown out because there is a vindictive c***t in power.
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Is he getting thrown out? or just detained?
 
motorbiking said:
Notchy doesn't understand the process for a visa over stayer to claim a right to remain.
Notchy doesn't understand that a mental illness and disparity of affordable care is sufficient.

Notchy doesn't believe that the UK grant leave to remain to people with Medical issues, because there is no NHS in their home country.







So thats you tucked up nicely.
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“Serious medical condition” it says

Poor Motorbiking can’t even read what he posts, poor chap doesn’t stand a chance
 
motorbiking said:
It amazes me how we in the U.K. grant humanitarian leave to remain for overstayers on the basis that there is no NHS in their home country while others even so called liberal countries chuck people out.
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Are you confusing visa overstayers with asylum seekers? Assyum seekers can be granted leave to stay (on medical grounds), but the stay is limited.
 
noseall said:
Are you confusing visa overstayers with asylum seekers? Assyum seekers can be granted leave to stay (on medical grounds), but the stay is limited.
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No.

A visa overstayer follows the same process as an asylum seeker. They are seeking leave outside the rules (LOTR) He/she is appealing deportation due to having no right to remain. If you look at the appeals case law, you will see a mix of visa overstayers and asylum seekers. An asylum seeker who is not granted refugee status, has the same right to remain as a visa overstayer - i.e. none. Hence they seek ECHR grounds.
 
motorbiking said:
You will find 100s.
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That sounds like a drop in the ocean, though.

My Reform voting friend is always telling me how tens of thousands of Pakistani people here on visas avoid having to leave by claiming they are gay etc. Is he right? What are the actual numbers?
 
Notch7 said:
“Serious medical condition” it says

Poor Motorbiking can’t even read what he posts, poor chap doesn’t stand a chance
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Do you think lawyers don't know how to turn not wanting to leave into - depression with a risk of suicide?

Notchy is depressed because he's being sent home, it makes him feel sad. His lawyer asks does it make you feel like killing yourself? If it does, we can seek grounds for you to remain to get free help with your serious mental illness that may be a risk to your life.
 
Notch7 said:
Article 3 of ECHR is in a situation where they may die if they are not able to get the medical treatment they need, or their quality of life would be so poor it would breach their human rights.

So far different from “no,access to NHS in their home country.
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That is obviously a major difference. I read the original statement as saying that anyone could claim on the basis simply that health care was poor in their home country.
 
MNW67 said:
That sounds like a drop in the ocean, though.

My Reform voting friend is always telling me how tens of thousands of Pakistani people here on visas avoid having to leave by claiming they are gay etc. Is he right? What are the actual numbers?
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You could do some crude analysis of the appeals cases using the key words. There are about 600 successful appeals on this ground in the database.
MNW67 said:
That is obviously a major difference. I read the original statement as saying that anyone could claim on the basis simply that health care was poor in their home country.
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No the argument is that they can fake some mental illness with a risk of suicide and the fact there is no affordable healthcare in their home country - gives them a right to claim.

It is extremely difficult to prove someone who says they will kill themselves if they are sent home, is lying. it's also worth reading some of the cases. "severe illness" does a lot of heavy lifting.
 
motorbiking said:
A visa overstayer follows the same process as an asylum seeker.
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no

The words "visa overstayer" mean a person who has overstayed their visa

thats it

words have meaning, if you didnt mean "visa overstayer" you should not have used those words, but selected different ones. Its why we have a language with lots of different words to use. Please use the correct ones, dont use words and claim they mean something different retrospectively

a person who has applied for remain to leave status is not a visa overstayer.
 
motorbiking said:
No the argument is that they can fake some mental illness with a risk of suicide and the fact there is no affordable healthcare in their home country - gives them a right to claim.
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thats not what you originally claimed

what you said was this:

"U.K. grant humanitarian leave to remain for overstayers on the basis that there is no NHS in their home country"
 
motorbiking said:
You could do some crude analysis of the appeals cases using the key words. There are about 600 successful appeals on this ground in the database.

No the argument is that they can fake some mental illness with a risk of suicide and the fact there is no affordable healthcare in their home country - gives them a right to claim.

It is extremely difficult to prove someone who says they will kill themselves if they are sent home, is lying. it's also worth reading some of the cases. "severe illness" does a lot of heavy lifting.
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I would still like to know a rough idea of the numbers. A couple of hundred a year or fifty thousand.

It's like being told everyone on a work or student visa can bring ten relatives without actually saying how many do it in practice.
 
Notch7 said:
"U.K. grant humanitarian leave to remain for overstayers on the basis that there is no NHS in their home country"
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which is true. We do and we pay for their lawyers to present it appropriately.
 
MNW67 said:
I would still like to know a rough idea of the numbers. A couple of hundred a year or fifty thousand.

It's like being told everyone on a work or student visa can bring ten relatives without actually saying how many do it in practice.
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the appeals are in the 100s. So based on crude stats. make an estimate on how many are granted first time, how many then appeal to court, how many are rejected on appeal and apply to the upper court (in the 100s).

www.gov.uk

Asylum claims on the basis of sexual orientation 2023

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

I'm not going to make numbers up. But it does seem they number in the thousands. I don't think 50% will be claiming to be gay, to get asylum. Mental illness, or becoming Christian will be more acceptable in many cultures.

Tribunal decisions

tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk

Fortunately some clearly find pretending to be gay so abhorrent, they don't do a convincing job. Again a reminder there are reporting restriction on reposting the cases.
 
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