Ssssssshhhhhh, don't mention Reform.

[noseall]

I would happily push them back

And you'll likely end up in court and in prison.

. It is not our problem that they choose to sail in an unsafe vessel

It is your problem if your problem if you intercept and endanger those on board.

I am not talking about purposely tipping them up or hurting them in any way

Phew!

. Simply stopping them from entering our waters. There is no other way to stop them, if they know that we are not allowed to turn them back then we are causing the problem. Simple as that.

Then there needs to be a way of either stopping the smugglers or stopping the flow of refugees.

 

[denso13]

It is not our problem that they choose to sail in an unsafe vessel or overload it

Course it is. If they want to come here there is no other way.

 

[Highway Man]

Course it is. If they want to come here there is no other way.

from france their is the tunnel, there are multiple ferries and a fair few planes. Try. those rather than an inflatable a lot cheaper too.

 

[Notch7]

Reforms idea of hostility will reduce the numbers significantly. I highly doubt any physical push back would be needed.

“Turn back or we will arrest the skipper for people trafficking. You will go to prison for a long time.”

I think many will turn back. It doesn’t mean it would not be legal to use force.

you know thats all bulls hit.

you are only trying to push support for Reform because you know they will cut taxes for the wealthy and deregulate

 

[Notch7]

from france their is the tunnel, there are multiple ferries and a fair few planes. Try. those rather than an inflatable a lot cheaper too.

there are no legal routes for asylum seekers

so your post is pointless, about as pointless as Reform Party

 

[Highway Man]

there are no legal routes for asylum seekers

so your post is pointless, about as pointless as Reform Party

Oh go and do some sewing.

 

[denso13]

from france their is the tunnel, there are multiple ferries and a fair few planes.

Not allowed, there is no other way.

 

[motorbiking]

According to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), external and the International Convention on Maritime Search and Rescue (SAR Convention), external, states are allowed to pick people up from boats if they are "found at sea in danger of being lost".

But these laws do not allow them to be taken to another state without that country agreeing.

In fact, Article 19 of UNCLOS says that if a "foreign ship" enters another country's territorial waters it will "be considered to be prejudicial to the peace" if "it engages in the loading or unloading of any... person contrary to the immigration laws" of that country.

Human rights at sea expert Sofia Galani also affirms that people in the territorial waters of a state are within its jurisdiction for the purposes of human rights, which the state must respect and protect.

Such rights would include giving people access to a procedure that determines their refugee status, and ensuring that there is no collective expulsion of people. In the Hirsi case, the court held that Italian authorities violated the European Convention on Human Rights by not examining each applicant’s individual situation.

When officials turn back boats, they risk breaching the rights and obligations enshrined in international human rights law. The exercising of these rights is not affected by any potential migration offences that may have been committed. There could also be breaches of refugee law depending on the circumstances, such as the principle of non-refoulement, which prevents states from forcing asylum seekers and refugees back to a place where they may face persecution.

There is no obligation in international law to seek asylum in the first safe country, and there are many reasons why individuals choose not to do so.

Nobody is discussing this idea.

 

[motorbiking]

there are no legal routes for asylum seekers

so your post is pointless, about as pointless as Reform Party

Not true.

 

[Notch7]

Nobody is discussing this idea.

You have been.

 

[Notch7]

Not true.

Highway Man was referring to the people coming here by small boat.

There are no legal routes for them.

 

[Notch7]

That’s cherry picking.

Motorbiking is complaining that his figures are cherry picking

 

[Highway Man]

Not allowed, there is no other way.

I see, so they can come here ilegally but we cannot do the same by push backs? Doesn't sound very fair to me.

 

[denso13]

I see, so they can come here ilegally but we cannot do the same by push backs?

The same as what/who?

 

[Highway Man]

The same as what/who?

Soilegall immigrants are fine to come here ilegally by paying traffickers and expecting the British to pay for their ilegal stay but cry if we stop them. Great idea.