That's why Greece has a returns agreement.
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ahh so you're not a refugee fleeing persecution after all.
I have no idea what you mean. Could you explain your reasoning.
I don't know really.
Getting them out of immediate danger (acoss the border etc) would be first priority.
As for seeking asylum - that's a more permanent endeavour and would require a wee bit of consideration.
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Asylum in Greece - UNHCR Greece
The role of UNHCR in Greece does not include receiving and/or processing of asylum or resettlement applications. UNHCR staff will inform you of how you can apply for asylum with the Greek authorities. The Greek Asylum Service is the only responsible office for processing asylum and related...
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What happens after I apply? - UNHCR Greece
Save/Download the page’s content as a PDF file even if you do not have access to Wi-Fi or the Internet – here. Step 1: Full registration at the Asylum Service You will be invited to fully register your application in person to one of the Regional Asylum Offices or Units. You may also submit...
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For Syrians in Greece - UNHCR Greece
This page provides reliable information related to recent events in Syria. Whether you plan to remain in your host country, are considering returning to Syria, or have questions related to your rights and access to services, this page provides reliable, up-to-date information. Current situation...
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They aren't returning genuine refugees.
I am not going over this with you yet again.
It is a deflection from the issue being discussed.
You're being far too sensible!
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It was you who mentioned the returns agreement. So back to your journey then..
Turkey to Greece, in a home made raft or rib purchased with engine for the whole family, for under 5k.
When you arrive in Greece you apply for Asylum. If you are a genuine refugee, your claim will be accepted: 4 out of 5 are. Any returns agreement is irrelevant, because you and your family are granted asylum. If your claim is rejected you will be asked to leave and offered assistance to do so.
So lets recap:
It's a 5km crossing in a rib you can purchase with an engine and fuel for <£5K. The journey will take about 30 minutes assuming you want to save fuel or only have a small motor.
There is always a risk of death in any journey. Unless you set off in a medicane or meltemi its probably going to be a nice ride.
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They will be returned to Turkey under the EU-Turkey deal.
Not discussing that point any further, as I have explained it to you several times before.
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A deal that was stopped in 2020.
You were aware of that?
Turkey as a ‘safe third country’? The Court of Justice’s judgment in C-134/23 Elliniko Symvoulio
This post examines Case C-134/23, where the CJEU ruled that asylum claims cannot be deemed inadmissible if readmission to a safe third country is unfeasible. The decision represents progress in ensuring access to asylum procedures but it highlights flaws in EU system of remedies.
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So... 5KM sea crossing - not too tricky for anyone.
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That poor doctor or engineer just wanted to sit and chat to the two ladies.
I don't think I would try it.
But this is still a massive deflection. The question we are discussing is why a Syrian man might leave his family temporarily in Turkey in order to try to claim asylum in the UK. If they make the short journey to one of the Greek islands they are then stuck there. I don't see how it helps them get to the UK.
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If my Family were in danger I'd do it on any vessel I could make or buy. or I'd find a bicycle or old car and drive to the border.
Yes its difficult to understand why a person would leave their family in danger, pay people traffickers a fortune to cross thousands of miles and get packed in to a poorly made, over crowded boat to cross a cold choppy, dangerous channel full of ships when they could practically swim to a safe place.
Perhaps they aren't in danger. Perhaps they are just leaving home looking for a better life and don't fancy Greece.
The family are no longer in danger after escaping from Syria. Turkey is relatively safe and they are living there amongst lots of other Syrian refugees. You are deflecting again.
