10 facts about immigration?

[MNW67]

Well I am confused now.

I think you were actually both in agreement earlier.

 

[motorbiking]

So all insults are racist/racism?

its very simple even you should be able to get your head around it.

First we define what is racial hatred... If only we had a definition... oh hang on here's one:

Section 17 of the Public Order Act 1986.

17 Meaning of “racial hatred”.​

In this Part “racial hatred” means hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

Gamon is all about colour and we've established it's aimed at white men. So thats a group of persons defined by reference to colour.

Then we have to identify what sort of thing we want to make an offence as racist hate speech... Look no further.. its even on the same page:

18 Use of words or behaviour or display of written material.​

(1)A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if—

(a)he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b)having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.

now you might think subsection 5) gives you a get out, because you refused to accept it was racial hatred.

That's not going to fly when you've been told dozens of times that:

1) it meets the definition of racial hatred
2) by your own confession is its intended to be derisory, insulting and direct hate towards those you call Gammons.

this doesn't help you either

Gammons are white dummy.

 

[Highway Man]

I think you were actually both in agreement earlier.

I didn't realise that. I cannot understand him as he isn't Northern.

 

[motorbiking]

Gammons are white dummy.

you'll note it doesn't say anything about an exemption because they are white, dummy

 

[Deleted member 317777]

I've realised I'm not very good at this. I'm better at analysing scenarios than making them up!

Don’t put yourself down, you’re good at making things up.

 

[Lirefighter]

Probably both!

No, I think it is probably the Royal Society.
Can you check?
Please

 

[MNW67]

No because he has a red face, it is more of an insult

Actually, I've now thought of the next stage.

So, we seem to agree that, on an individual basis in the pub, calling somebody a "red faced moron" is insulting but not racist.

But what if you generically referred to all right wingers who get angry as "red faced morons". Without knowing their personal circumstances. They might not even go red in the face when getting angry. Does that change things.

If somebody can work out what I am getting at and make it clearer, I would appreciate that.

 

[Highway Man]

Actually, I've now thought of the next stage.

So, we seem to agree that, on an individual basis in the pub, calling somebody a "red faced moron" is insulting but not racist.

But what if you generically referred to all right wingers who get angry as "red faced morons". Without knowing their personal circumstances. They might not even go red in the face when getting angry. Does that change things.

If somebody can work out what I am getting at and make it clearer, I would appreciate that.

I dont think red faced is racist in any context as it isnt singling out a race, now if you called a group of chinese yellow faces then I would consider that as racist

 

[pete01]

I'll never eat gammon again....im bamboozled with all this OMG

 

[Highway Man]

I'll never eat gammon again....im bamboozled with all this OMG

I still do not understand the term gammon

 

[pete01]

 

[Deleted member 317777]

Actually, I've now thought of the next stage.

So, we seem to agree that, on an individual basis in the pub, calling somebody a "red faced moron" is insulting but not racist.

But what if you generically referred to all right wingers who get angry as "red faced morons". Without knowing their personal circumstances. They might not even go red in the face when getting angry. Does that change things.

If somebody can work out what I am getting at and make it clearer, I would appreciate that.

Considering you’re on the fence, you are a massive snowflake

I’d call you a Gammon, but I’m not that rude and you’re not a Tory

 

[MNW67]

I still do not understand the term gammon

It's shorthand for "red faced moron"

 

[Deleted member 317777]

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@Himmy still can’t accept it

 

[motorbiking]

Actually, I've now thought of the next stage.

So, we seem to agree that, on an individual basis in the pub, calling somebody a "red faced moron" is insulting but not racist.

But what if you generically referred to all right wingers who get angry as "red faced morons". Without knowing their personal circumstances. They might not even go red in the face when getting angry. Does that change things.

If somebody can work out what I am getting at and make it clearer, I would appreciate that.

Have you created a group of people defined by colour, race etc?
Are you directing abuse at that group of people?
is it your intention to stir hatred to all people in that group or taking account of circumstances could it be expected to do so?

If the aswer is yes to each of those questions - it's racial hatred.

It's the grouping, the insult and the intent to stir hatred towards the group. that is the difference.