Issue with hired electrician

[Risteard]

Well, you might be correct strictly speaking but does an EIC not go with things which are legal requirements?

That is: were the work notified directly to LABC by the electrician would they not require one, or,
as in this case, the electrician is registered with NICEIC do they not require an EIC be completed?


If not then similarly, surely.

Would you be happy not receiving either one after complying with all the legal requirements?





It's only been twenty years; we ought to know by now.

Required by scheme operators, and required by the Wiring Regulations are not the same thing as required by law, which was my point.

As for whether I would be happy not receiving such documentation, I never made such a claim. I merely challenged the erroneous claim of illegality.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Required by scheme operators, and required by the Wiring Regulations are not the same thing as required by law, which was my point.

Yes, you said that - but if something (notification) is required by law and that body requires a document; does that not amount to the same thing?

As for whether I would be happy not receiving such documentation, I never made such a claim. I merely challenged the erroneous claim of illegality.

Yet you could answer the question.

 

[Risteard]

Yes, you said that - but if something (notification) is required by law and that body requires a document; does that not amount to the same thing?


Yet you could answer the question.

"I never made such a claim" was a pretty clear answer.

 

[EFLImpudence]

"I never made such a claim" was a pretty clear answer.

No, the question in question was:

Would you be happy not receiving either one after complying with all the legal requirements?

 

[Risteard]

No, the question in question was:

Unless you are incredibly hard of thinking it would be abundantly clear that I was suggesting that I would not, in fact, be satisfied with lack of receipt of the document. It's very basic comprehension of your English language.

 

[EFLImpudence]

As for whether I would be happy not receiving such documentation, I never made such a claim. I merely challenged the erroneous claim of illegality.

 

[ericmark]

That is: were the work notified directly to LABC by the electrician would they not require one, or,
as in this case, the electrician is registered with NICEIC do they not require an EIC be completed?

Oh yes, I remember the problem well, there is no legal requirement to issue an EIC, where the installation is inspected and tested by a third party, they can't issue an EIC, they often complete an EICR to the requirements of the LABC for the LABC to issue a completion certificate, the inspector is appointed by the LABC, not the homeowner, although the homeowner has to pay.

Unless the electrician shows somewhere the logo or name of a scheme provider, it is up to the homeowner to inform the LABC, the electrician is not breaking any law by not providing EIC, or a compliance or completion certificate, yes, seems crazy, but the homeowner has to verify the electrician is a scheme member or he tells the LABC.

I have questioned the EICR which can be bought by anyone, and completed, printed by the scheme providers, as they have the scheme provider's logo on them, which means the homeowner does not need to inform the LABC, the fact that there is a scheme providers logo, does not matter what colour or what the document says as to not being issued under the scheme providers overview, it has the logo, so the homeowner does not require notifying.

 

[Risteard]

Indeed. So my stance on it was really very obvious.

 

[morqthana]

the electrician is not breaking any law by not providing EIC, or a compliance or completion certificate

Well, possibly. If the contract said he would, and it could be shown that he never intended to, that would be fraud.

 

[yartin]

NICEIC said he has to do the build reg compliance notification, to contact them if not done within a month.

 

[EFLImpudence]

NICEIC said he has to do the build reg compliance notification, to contact them if not done within a month.

NICEIC do that and send it to you after the electrician has informed them - within thirty days - of the type of work he has done.

 

[morqthana]

And don't pay him a penny until he does

 

[yartin]

Update:
I got my EICR and paid in full.
However, I asked whether he is going to issue an EIC or will I get a notification from NICEIC or LABC, he waffled and asked I have to pay more as wasn't in the original quote and takes 2 hours which I refused. I will report to niceic after 30 days and see what they say.

 

[davelx]

Well, you might be correct strictly speaking but does an EIC not go with things which are legal requirements?

That is: were the work notified directly to LABC by the electrician would they not require one, or,
as in this case, the electrician is registered with NICEIC do they not require an EIC be completed?


If not then similarly, surely.

Would you be happy not receiving either one after complying with all the legal requirements?





It's only been twenty years; we ought to know by now.

Issuing the EIC to the person ordering the work is a requirement of BS7671 and until he issues that certificate, his work does not comply. There is no way on earth he should be charging extra for this. Membership of NICEIC is neither here nor there as far as the EIC is concerned, If he's not issued it, he has not complied with the Wiring Regulations. Assuming his quote/estimate stated that all work would be done in accordance with the Wiring Regulations, then he has not fulfilled the contract.

"644,1 Except where Regulation 644.4.201 applies, upon completion of the verification of a new installation or an addition or alteration to an existing installation, including the replacement of a distribution board or consumer unit, an Electrical Installation Certificate based on the model given in Appendix 6 SHALL be issued to the person ordering the work"

 

[morqthana]

paid in full.

Good luck.

I will report to niceic after 30 days and see what they say.

Good luck.