I've got a complaint with my new motor already!

[Avocet]

Bloody thing wouldn’t recognise the fobs last night for a couple of hours. Might have had something to do with the over the air update it was performing……

You seem to be having quite a hard time of this update, I must say! When mine does an update, it downloads it to my phone, whenever the phone has wi-fi. I don't really know it's happening until the phone beeps and tells me I have an update. The next time I get into the car with the phone on me, it Bluetooths the update across to the car. When I then shut the car down, I get a message asking me if I want to install the update, and telling me that if I do, I won't be able to use the car for 20 minutes or so. If I agree, I get out, lock the car, and leave it to get on with the update - a bit like shutting a computer down and clicking "update and shut down" before walking away.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Bloody thing wouldn’t recognise the fobs last night for a couple of hours. Might have had something to do with the over the air update it was performing……

Yer, but - what if your wife was about to give birth, and you needed the car to rush her to hospital?

 

[Munroast]

Of course, it might not be the cars, it might be you! Or as Douglas Adams of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy fame so aptly put it:

“I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:​

1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.​

2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.​

3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”​

and yet I probably make more useful use of high tech than most people of any age - regular user of 3d printer, laser cutter, cnc machines, write quite extensively in a number of programming languages, have spent much of today developing a python app to integrate with excel

just because I don't need to be seen in a flash car or parade about like some cabbage staring at a mobile phone, does not for one second means I do not embrace new technologies.

 

[Avocet]

Yer, but - what if your wife was about to give birth, and you needed the car to rush her to hospital?

Probably the same as if your ICE car had a problem...

 

[Avocet]

and yet I probably make more useful use of high tech than most people of any age - regular user of 3d printer, laser cutter, cnc machines, write quite extensively in a number of programming languages, have spent much of today developing a python app to integrate with excel

just because I don't need to be seen in a flash car or parade about like some cabbage staring at a mobile phone, does not for one second means I do not embrace new technologies.

Congratulations. But the problem is that you just assume that folk who don't like the things you like, are...

..."wrong". You assume that the only reason people want a new car is to look good.

 

[Munroast]

Congratulations. But the problem is that you just assume that folk who don't like the things you like, are...

..."wrong". You assume that the only reason people want a new car is to look good.

not a 100% by a fair way, but i guess many spend a disproportionate amount of their money to impress people they don't like by buying cars they can't afford


but getting back to who thinks these silly pointless pretentious cars are fantastic just seems to be those who sell them
do you have a connection to the motor industry ? you do seem to sing the praises of these cars a little too much

 

[Avocet]

not a 100% by a fair way, but i guess many spend a disproportionate amount of their money to impress people they don't like by buying cars they can't afford

See what I mean? One might almost describe it as "bigotry" I have an EV a couple of years old. I've made no secret of the fact that it's a company car. I've never spent more than £1500 on a car in my life, when shopping with my own money! But I can step back and assess it objectively, without your various prejudices.

but getting back to who thinks these silly pointless pretentious cars are fantastic just seems to be those who sell them
do you have a connection to the motor industry ? you do seem to sing the praises of these cars a little too much

I don't sell cars. I do work in the car industry. You are blinded by your prejudice. I don't "sing its praises". In areas where I think it is good, I say so. The problem is that those very prejudices of yours, leave you incapable of accepting that it might have good points...

 

[Mottie]

Yer, but - what if your wife was about to give birth, and you needed the car to rush her to hospital?

At 63 years old, there’s not much chance of that but I get your point.

 

[Mottie]

You seem to be having quite a hard time of this update, I must say! When mine does an update, it downloads it to my phone, whenever the phone has wi-fi. I don't really know it's happening until the phone beeps and tells me I have an update. The next time I get into the car with the phone on me, it Bluetooths the update across to the car. When I then shut the car down, I get a message asking me if I want to install the update, and telling me that if I do, I won't be able to use the car for 20 minutes or so. If I agree, I get out, lock the car, and leave it to get on with the update - a bit like shutting a computer down and clicking "update and shut down" before walking away.

Yeah, I have heard that some people download it onto a PC, put it on a memory stick and put that in the car when they next get in it. Bloody downloads - why do they need them anyway? My two cookers and hob have had about 6 'updates' since I’ve had them. Makes no difference to the chicken I roast or the sounds I boil!

 

[Mottie]

I would be asking why it wasn't updated before you had it.

Every iPhone or firestick I own as well as my cookers and hob have had to be updated out of the box. I suppose it’s because the car had been sitting since being made. As fas as I know, you can’t search and download updates.

I can't believe it does a random update at any time, you could have been stuck in bad area/situation. Updates maybe, but not at a time that suits them, it has to suit you too.

It doesn’t update by itself. Yesterday I had another one. This time it was for the infotainment system. It tells you that you have one and asks if you want to download it now. I chose 'later'. When I went to sainsburys it asked me again and said it would take 10 minutes and it could do it while it was switched off. I chose ‘update now', went and did my shopping and when I came back it was done.

 

[cdbe]

I have no wish to come across as a luddite, but what happens when they get bored of sending you updates - presumably just throw it away like an old Windows laptop - and I expect this applies to all modern cars however they're powered. Some Russian hacker will brick your car for a ransom.

 

[Mottie]

I have no wish to come across as a luddite, but what happens when they get bored of sending you updates - presumably just throw it away like an old Windows laptop - and I expect this applies to all modern cars however they're powered. Some Russian hacker will brick your car for a ransom.

I can’t see that any of them are urgent but part of the annual service includes check and install updates at the dealership. I’m assuming they have the latest virus checked programmes on usb sticks and install that while doing the service.

 

[Charlie George]

I have no wish to come across as a luddite, but what happens when they get bored of sending you updates - presumably just throw it away like an old Windows laptop - and I expect this applies to all modern cars however they're powered. Some Russian hacker will brick your car for a ransom.

Isn't this what happened when the EV maker Fisker went bust, leaving the nearly new cars useless, with so many new makes today you need to be careful with which brand you choose.

 

[Munroast]

I have no wish to come across as a luddite, but what happens when they get bored of sending you updates - presumably just throw it away like an old Windows laptop - and I expect this applies to all modern cars however they're powered. Some Russian hacker will brick your car for a ransom.

or even crash it whilst you're driving - could a gamer hack into something and take control ?
i'm sticking with my old van

 

[Munroast]

I don't sell cars. I do work in the car industry. You are blinded by your prejudice. I don't "sing its praises". In areas where I think it is good, I say so. The problem is that those very prejudices of yours, leave you incapable of accepting that it might have good points...

cats out of the bag - as i guessed way more than delusion, a PR man perhaps, vested interest