Charlie Kirk

[diy_fun_uk]

Whilst I fully understand Trump's anger and sadness, he is President. As I said before, we need our leaders to dial down not dial up. In a recent tv address to the public on the death of CK, Trump used the phrase 'radical left' two or three times whilst talking in quite an aggressive manner. He then went on to say they are the cause of all the unrest at present.

To me, this is dialing up not down, with a sprinkling of 'facts'.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

He was a professional provocateur.
He made a career out of it.
Everyone is entitled to express their opinions freely but he used highly inflammatory language in order in order to attract attention.
The nail that sticks up the most, gets hit the hardest.

I sometimes think this about YouTubers like Charlie Veitch, who now needs bodyguards when doing his videos.

At some point, something tragic is going to happen.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I agree. Ownership and the daily carrying of guns are different. I have a shot gun licence and shoot regularly, but the gun is only out of its cabinet going to, during and from a shoot. I certainly don't carry it around routinely. In addition, having been the victim of an attempted break whilst we were at home earlier this year, i've though long and hard about whether i would have got the gun out if the opportunity had been there. The conclusion that i came to was that, even if the thieves had been successful in getting into the house, the gun stays locked up. I don't ever want to have to be in a situation where i have to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.

Whereas in America, some people won't leave their houses without being armed. You can't really argue that guns are going to be used more if more people carry them.

You see some horrendous stories from the states. A few years back there was the story of a black guy on his way home. Got lost. Ended up in the wrong location, so pulled into someone's drive to ask the homeowner for directions. Homeowner saw the car, saw the black guy, opened their front door, BANG!

Another story was a black guy walking up the pathway to a home, can't recall why. The homeowner opened the door, BANG!

I think in some of these cases they don't even face charges due to trespassing laws or something like that i.e. the persons right to protect themselves and their property.

 

[Vinty]

As i said, that used to be the assumption. But Trumps attempted assassination and Charlie Kirk's murder changes that assumption.

Trump has to bear some responsibility for the assassination attempt on himself.
He raises the temperature in society through the use of inflammatory language, then he complains when somebody has a pop at him.

 

[noseall]

The right to own a gun in the US is tantamount to the right to religious belief. Some states don’t require proper background checks.

It's never been easier to carry a small deadly weapon in the USA, thanks to the US RWR.
You live by the sword....

 

[Lower]

He was a professional provocateur.
He made a career out of it.
Everyone is entitled to express their opinions freely but he used highly inflammatory language in order in order to attract attention.
The nail that sticks up the most, gets hit the hardest.

He was, but people chose to engage and he engaged back. He didn't attempt to shut down the conversation, he encouraged it.

The opposite of the 'kill a TERF' brigade for example who want to shut down any conversation that doesn't agree with theirs.

 

[fillyboy]

As I said before, we need our leaders to dial down not dial up. In a recent tv address to the public on the death of CK, Trump used the phrase 'radical left' two or three times whilst talking in quite an aggressive manner. He then went on to say they are the cause of all the unrest at present.

In fairness, if people of the left are going to assassinate those on the right, you can't get much more 'radical' than that.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

In fairness, if people of the left are going to assassinate those on the right, you can't get much more 'radical' than that.

Although maybe likely, at this point no one knows if the shooter is left leaning or otherwise.

 

[blup]

No warnings

Why do you need a gun, other than for self defence?

 

[blup]

Although maybe likely, at this point no one knows if the shooter is left leaning or otherwise.

Sadly the victim was left leaning, for the first and only time in his life.

 

[Odds]

Well if that's what The Guardian tells you to think, you really have little choice do you?

They just give you the facts. It's up to you how to interpret them, so if y'all need any help gimme a shout.

 

[Lower]

It's never been easier to carry a small deadly weapon in the USA, thanks to the US RWR.
You live by the sword....

and in the same vein, its never been easier or more common to carry a knife or be a victim of knife crime in the UK, thanks to the liberal left.

To many people living by the sword as a result....

 

[IT Minion]

it's both sides that are increasing the hatred, but its reasonable to attribute this murder to a leftist and i presume the attempted murder of trump was a leftist.

The general consensus is that it's the extreme right wing that perpetrate violence and that the left are vocal but not physical. It would appear that is no longer a reasonable assumption.

It wasn't, it was a registered Republicans with a social media history of anti immigration and antisemitism.

So assuming it's someone on the left is unwise.

 

[IT Minion]

Actual political violence and violent rhetoric is mostly from the right. The right like to imply it's equal from both sides but it simply isn't.

 

[IT Minion]

and in the same vein, its never been easier or more common to carry a knife or be a victim of knife crime in the UK, thanks to the liberal left.

To many people living by the sword as a result....

Not really, it's high street the moment but the peak was around 2019.

Also blaming it on the left when you see a steady increase from as far back as 2012 seems odd.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn04304/