Many decades ago when, as a student in London I managed to get into many Proms (quite often 'free tickets' for students), including a few 'Last Nights', on the Last Night we were given 'at the door' (Presumably 'by the BBC') Union Flags to wave - so I was suspecting (probably wrongly) that even today, the flags being waved by people were probably ones they were 'given at the door' (again, presumably by the BBC), rather than flags they had brought with them.
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Flag dynamics
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I take it you haven't seen the news reports of right wing thugs flying the Union and/or England flag.
You can't have it both ways.
my town has a small hostel that houses people who are seeking asylum. Recently, around 70 people draped themselves in the flag of St George, festooned the streets in the night, and came from across the country for a march towards the hostel. The local people tried to defend these vulnerable few. We gathered with our own flags to signify solidarity and compassion. We held banners saying that our town did not want racists terrorising refugees. We tried not to engage with them directly.
In the seemingly interminable time before the police arrived, we were screamed at, pushed, called filthy child molesters and scum. Women were threatened with rape, and aerosols sprayed towards women with children to “wipe out their stink”. Posters were ripped from our hands, and young children wearing flags were encouraged to scream obscenities. They were spitting out that asylum seekers were scum, vermin, child molesters and that we were going to be knocked down and smashed.
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In our village, many people are intimidated by the racists who have put flags on pretty much every lamp-post and there are vigilantes confronting anyone who tries to take them down. Many villagers are extremely angry with this overt racism and the threat of reprisals. Many are frightened and fearful.
Some have been openly abused and videos posted on social media – this appears to be in the far-right playbook. It’s clear evidence of criminality, but that doesn’t seem to matter. Sadly we don’t have the numbers prepared to stand up to what, here at least, appears to be a small minority. Individuals who have taken a stand have been assaulted, and accused of being traitors and unpatriotic.
So its clear from my unanswered question that morqthana has some sort of a personal interest/ connection in Palestine he cares not for anyone else’s plight just the the one that affects his religion or family.
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Yes I have seen those reports
But you haven't answered my question
You cant have it both ways
I wish i could help you harry but i have never done anything with flags, sounds a bit stupid but possibly you try putting something like a light bamboo stick or something like that at the bottom of the flag to prevent it wrapping around?
Thank you for your help the other day.
Thank you for your help the other day.
No, I certainly do not, but flying a flag which supports Hamas, is doing you and your cause absolutely no favours at all.
Nothing wrong with dictatorship.
Nothing silly about it. I'm just stating that anything other than true National sovereignty is fundamentally unlawful, illegal and Treasonous.
The Palestinian flag has nothing to do with Hamas. It is the flag of the Zionist entity in Palestine which is an abomination.
Er - I don't have a problem with the flag wrapping, rather it was (intended) as a technical discussion of just why it isn't a problem, and how it always manages, somehow, to unwrap itself. Since I began the discussion, I have observed it wrap itself up to three times around the pole, but it always manages to unwrap itself, by at least one turn, each time the wind drops.
It is often said that the 'best' form of government would be a "benevolent dictatorship". However, the problem is that, essentially by definition, if one has a dictatorship one has no choice (nor any prior knowledge) of who the dictator is, or how 'benevolent' he/she is ... and, looking around, many/most of the most obvious dictatorships in the world are probably anything but 'benevolent'
Absolute power, corrupts absolutely!
That continues to be silly.
For a start, what's the difference between "unlawful" and "illegal", and in relation to who's laws would it be "treasonable". If a particular 'state'/whatever chose to have something other than "true national sovereignty" then that state of affairs would presumably be lawful/legal under their laws.
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