Yes you are right all of the vulnerable should of been isolated and released when it was safe for them to come out
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Mandatory ID cards (Brit Card) to be announced tomorrow
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As per usual why does every thread become decimated with childish quips and the usual that lurk only to crticise and denigrate others without any valid opinon of their own.
On my flight home last night i made some notes, this is why i feel that human rights lawyer in charge of our country has it wrong again, in fact it's not really him, he's literally doing as he is told.
People already arrive and work outside the system
Many who arrive illegally (or overstay visas) already work cash-in-hand jobs in construction, agriculture, hospitality, or informal gig sectors, delivery drivers etc, easy to clone IDs and licenses.
These jobs often bypass formal checks like National Insurance (NI) numbers, right-to-work verification, or tax records.
A digital ID won’t touch this shadow economy, so the incentive to come and work illegally doesn’t disappear.
Enforcement is the weak link, not the ID
Employers who knowingly exploit illegal labour don’t suddenly become compliant just because the government introduces a new ID card or app.
Without a step change in enforcement, inspections, and meaningful penalties, the black market demand for cheap undocumented labour will remain.
Migrants know this, they all talk from here to their mates back home. they take their chances not on the law but on the lack of enforcement.
ID doesn’t stop entry
A digital ID system applies inside the country.
It doesn’t physically prevent people crossing the Channel in dinghies or hiding in lorries!!!!
Unless backed by physical border control measures, it has zero deterrent impact at the actual point of entry.
Fraud and circumvention
A new ID system could even create another black market forged or stolen digital IDs. (this is rife in other sectors already)
Desperate people will pay traffickers or criminal gangs for access to “fake clean identities.”
The UK already struggles with document fraud; a digital scheme doesn’t eliminate this risk.
Historical precedent shows little effect
The UK had ID cards in WWII and proposed them again in the 2000s , they were sold as tools against terrorism, fraud, and illegal working. But analysis showed the real effect would be marginal because determined bad actors work around systems.
Most illegal entrants or overstayers don’t interact with official systems that would require an ID anyway.
The elephant in the room - demand still exists/noone is stopping the Boats.
So long as employers can find and pay illegal labour, and migrants can find opportunities, the incentive remains strong.
A digital ID does nothing to address the push factors (poverty, war, persecution abroad) or the pull factors (cheap labour demand, lack of enforcement, family/community ties in the UK).
The very last thing Startmer wants to do is the very right thing he should be doing.
How to win the nation over and defeat Reform.
Why do you say that Festive? Well... the very last thing Startmer wants to do is the very right thing he should be doing. The common issue here with men/leaders can be summarised with this.
“Too many leaders think it’s weak to borrow an opponent’s idea, when in truth the real weakness is clinging to failure just to look tough.”
It really isn't rocket science and it should be obvious to our 'leader, and how he could defuse the power of your enemies (the likes of Farage etc) by showing leadership and doing the right thing. Starmer i dare you to anounce the below to 'your enemies' and the public in a statement.
“For too long, this country has been trapped in a cycle of slogans and half-measures while lives are risked at sea and communities are divided here at home.
This is bigger than party politics. The British people want action, not point-scoring. I am therefore calling for a cross-party alliance government, opposition, and all leaders in Parliament, to work together on one urgent mission: to give Britain the clear legal authority and operational capacity to physically stop these dangerous crossings.
If we can secure that, we defuse the gangs, we protect our borders, and we restore public confidence. And crucially, we remove this issue from the hands of those who would exploit it for division.
Let’s show the country that on matters of national security and basic fairness, Westminster can unite. It’s time we stopped arguing about stopping the boats and actually stopped them.”
Imagine him actually doing this. I for one would for once actually stand and applaud him in a respectful manner, even go as far as to believe perhaps he wasn't castrated at birth afterall.
On my flight home last night i made some notes, this is why i feel that human rights lawyer in charge of our country has it wrong again, in fact it's not really him, he's literally doing as he is told.
People already arrive and work outside the system
Many who arrive illegally (or overstay visas) already work cash-in-hand jobs in construction, agriculture, hospitality, or informal gig sectors, delivery drivers etc, easy to clone IDs and licenses.
These jobs often bypass formal checks like National Insurance (NI) numbers, right-to-work verification, or tax records.
A digital ID won’t touch this shadow economy, so the incentive to come and work illegally doesn’t disappear.
Enforcement is the weak link, not the ID
Employers who knowingly exploit illegal labour don’t suddenly become compliant just because the government introduces a new ID card or app.
Without a step change in enforcement, inspections, and meaningful penalties, the black market demand for cheap undocumented labour will remain.
Migrants know this, they all talk from here to their mates back home. they take their chances not on the law but on the lack of enforcement.
ID doesn’t stop entry
A digital ID system applies inside the country.
It doesn’t physically prevent people crossing the Channel in dinghies or hiding in lorries!!!!
Unless backed by physical border control measures, it has zero deterrent impact at the actual point of entry.
Fraud and circumvention
A new ID system could even create another black market forged or stolen digital IDs. (this is rife in other sectors already)
Desperate people will pay traffickers or criminal gangs for access to “fake clean identities.”
The UK already struggles with document fraud; a digital scheme doesn’t eliminate this risk.
Historical precedent shows little effect
The UK had ID cards in WWII and proposed them again in the 2000s , they were sold as tools against terrorism, fraud, and illegal working. But analysis showed the real effect would be marginal because determined bad actors work around systems.
Most illegal entrants or overstayers don’t interact with official systems that would require an ID anyway.
The elephant in the room - demand still exists/noone is stopping the Boats.
So long as employers can find and pay illegal labour, and migrants can find opportunities, the incentive remains strong.
A digital ID does nothing to address the push factors (poverty, war, persecution abroad) or the pull factors (cheap labour demand, lack of enforcement, family/community ties in the UK).
The very last thing Startmer wants to do is the very right thing he should be doing.
How to win the nation over and defeat Reform.
Why do you say that Festive? Well... the very last thing Startmer wants to do is the very right thing he should be doing. The common issue here with men/leaders can be summarised with this.
“Too many leaders think it’s weak to borrow an opponent’s idea, when in truth the real weakness is clinging to failure just to look tough.”
It really isn't rocket science and it should be obvious to our 'leader, and how he could defuse the power of your enemies (the likes of Farage etc) by showing leadership and doing the right thing. Starmer i dare you to anounce the below to 'your enemies' and the public in a statement.
“For too long, this country has been trapped in a cycle of slogans and half-measures while lives are risked at sea and communities are divided here at home.
This is bigger than party politics. The British people want action, not point-scoring. I am therefore calling for a cross-party alliance government, opposition, and all leaders in Parliament, to work together on one urgent mission: to give Britain the clear legal authority and operational capacity to physically stop these dangerous crossings.
If we can secure that, we defuse the gangs, we protect our borders, and we restore public confidence. And crucially, we remove this issue from the hands of those who would exploit it for division.
Let’s show the country that on matters of national security and basic fairness, Westminster can unite. It’s time we stopped arguing about stopping the boats and actually stopped them.”
Imagine him actually doing this. I for one would for once actually stand and applaud him in a respectful manner, even go as far as to believe perhaps he wasn't castrated at birth afterall.
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A bit OT, but if I were forced to live in another country I'd choose Slovenia. They know how to handle illegals, firmly but fairly. 47,000 illegals turned up at the border in 2024: 42,000 were deported, 5000 applied for asylum, 150 were granted. Partly as a consequence they have very low crime, a high standard of living, low cost of living, cheaper housing, no overcrowding, better nationalised healthcare, better education, less pollution, the list goes on. It's a fantastic country.
Not me no
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Deflection, what a surprise.Newsflash : no one cares about your day-to-day
Oh, so you think the government is interested in your day-to-day?
Better stock up on the tinfoil then
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No, And I never even hinted at it!?Oh, so you think the government is interested in your day-to-day?
Better stock up on the tinfoil then
I just pointed out you brought “mars” into the thread. It’s a well known leftie tactic.
Try and keep up old boy.
He just makes up something you never said so he can then argue about it - its mental.
Utter idiocy, impossible to do and an insane plan to suggest at the start of the pandemic
The opposite of what actually happened was even more insane.
ah yes the Great Barrington Theory
Plausible, but falls apart under scrutiny.
The reality is
A) you can’t identify all vulnerable people
B) there are too many of them
C) it would’ve been impossible to isolate them.
Here are some experts giving their professional critique of the Great Barrington Theory
The tories were corrupt and inept
