Right to protest...

[noseall]

What do you think of your mates claim that the Israelis are torturing Greta Thundberg?

They wouldn't dare!

 

[ellal]

I'm in favour of peaceful demonstration, but there has to be a red line. Do you seriously think attacking an air force base and damaging aircraft doesn't cross that red line, that's why Palestine Action were quite rightly proscribed.

There is a defense in law whereby you can commit a crime in order to prevent a greater crime...

That was why some people were acquitted of criminal damage when they damaged Hawk jets that were going to be used by Indonesia against East Timor...

On the Pro Palestine marches, again fine, but is it necessary for the route to be as close as possible to a number of synagogues simply to inflame tensions.
Last night there was an arson attack on a mosque in East Sussex, I haven't seen many details on this but I assume it's tit for tat for the Manchester attack. I somehow doubt Jews were involved, more likely right wing thugs but whoever, the situation is escalating out of control.

I agree that places of worship should not be targeted as that is attacking a religion not an issue.
As I have said many times, there should be no connection between the actions of israel and all Jews.
In the same way as there should be no connection between the actions of hamas and all Palestinians.

The problem is that there are idiots on both sides who do not either understand that, or who choose to follow their own agendas regardless...

On the pro Palestinian marches, I was surprised they went ahead this week, the police asked them not to simply from a moral standpoint, to show some respect for the Manchester victims, just 1 day off, it didn't happen, and that's very sad because it's no longer about Israel/Palestine.

You can argue that both ways...

There is supposed to be a ceasefire coming up, but israel will continue to kill Palestinians up to the last minute...

So the pro Palestinian protests can't be put on hold.
How long a gap would you consider to be 'respectful'?

I can (and sometimes do) debate the rights and wrongs of the Israel/Palestine all day long, but is constant pictures of nazis and comparisons of Jews to Nazis really necessary, that's not free speech, that's hate speech and that's why I reported two threads to both the police and the CST (community security team). Maybe something will happen, maybe it won't, both inform me they have a heavy workload.

Again you mention Jews, but it is the action of israel that is being compared in some instances...

Who would you like the genocide, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes to be compared with from history?

 

[ellal]

Have they been given that mandate?

The police have the powers to dictate conditions of a protest or indeed prevent it happening...

What the latest proposal intends to do is yet again widen the scope of the powers to do so!

 

[Highway Man]

In other words; he thinks he should get to say what he likes. You do not.

Nope, I don't believe that if a protest is going on then the opposing protesters should be able to protest their feelings but not in the same place at the same time as the other protests. A gathering of two sides with opposing views is a recipe for a riot.

 

[Highway Man]

In Britain, it is every citizens right to protest. I am a big believer in this being kept intact. Once a protest turns ugly then the full force of the law should be applied.

 

[ellal]

Nope, I don't believe that if a protest is going on then the opposing protesters should be able to protest their feelings but not in the same place at the same time as the other protests. A gathering of two sides with opposing views is a recipe for a riot.

But a lot of the time we're not talking about protests per se are we...

For example in the case of the far right marches calling for support for certain policies and certain political parties who espouse what they want...

And the pro Palestinian marches are calling for support for Palestine...

Others are simply opposing those aims...

Protest appears to have now become an all encompassing description of a gathering of people...

A bit like the media blaming 'anarchists' for a lot of the trouble at protests/marches/gatherings, when the media is either ignorant of or chooses to ignore the actual meaning of anarchism!

 

[Knave of Hearts]

.... Once a protest turns ugly then the full force of the law should be applied.

Applied to whom?

 

[Highway Man]

But a lot of the time we're not talking about protests per se are we...

For example in the case of the far right marches calling for support for certain policies and certain political parties who espouse what they want...

And the pro Palestinian marches are calling for support for Palestine...

Others are simply opposing those aims...

Protest appears to have now become an all encompassing description of a gathering of people...

A bit like the media blaming 'anarchists' for a lot of the trouble at protests/marches/gatherings, when the media is either ignorant of or chooses to ignore the actual meaning of anarchism!

Doesn't matter the nature of the protest, there should be no need for peace keepers if only the original protestors were present. Unless of course you like the agro.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Doesn't matter the nature of the protest, there should be no need for peace keepers if only the original protestors were present. Unless of course you like the agro.

"protester".

Your comment is illogical.
It doesn't follow that the march is peaceful, just because only the original protesters were present.

 

[Highway Man]

"protester".

Your comment is illogical.
It doesn't follow that the march is peaceful, just because only the original protesters were present.

You're illogical.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

You're illogical.

Something is not illogical on the basis that you don't understand.
It's just incomprehensible only to you.

 

[Highway Man]

Something is not illogical on the basis that you don't understand.
It's just incomprehensible only to you.

No, you are definately illogical.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

No, you are definately illogical.

And your spelling is definately (sic) very poor. That is incomprehensible considering you claim to better educated than I.

 

[Koolpc]

You could apply that thinking to yaxley-lennon and his gatherings...

What was the message at rallies such as his?

Or the right wing anti immigrant protests at hotels?

And do you remember the riots after Southport?

They dont go charging into Synagogues killing people!!!

 

[Knave of Hearts]

They dont go charging into Synagogues killing people!!!

Yaxley-Lennon is a coward who incites others to commit violent acts against Muslims.