Right to protest...

[carmanmemoranda]

In Britain, it is every citizens right to protest. I am a big believer in this being kept intact. Once a protest turns ugly then the full force of the law should be applied.

Agree. Just like riots

 

[ellal]

Doesn't matter the nature of the protest, there should be no need for peace keepers if only the original protestors were present. Unless of course you like the agro.

You mean like all those 'protestors' who went on the rampage after Southport?

They were after all the original lot on their 'protest'...

But as you say, there was 'no need for peace keepers'...

Even though as it turned out most of those arrested had history!

 

[ellal]

They dont go charging into Synagogues killing people!!!

As was pointed out, a mosque in Sussex was attacked last night...

They tried to charge into the building but couldn't get in, so set a fire outside whilst people were inside...

How come the attack on the Synagogue was classed as terrorism but the one on the mosque was only classed as a hate crime?

After all it was only good luck that no-one was injured or worse in the latter case...

But both places were identified places of worship linked to particular but different religions...

So should it only be classed as terrorism if an arab/muslim is the perpetrator?
And not if it turns out to be right wing british people?

 

[Koolpc]

Yaxley-Lennon is a coward who incites others to commit violent acts against Muslims.

No, he doesnt....

 

[Koolpc]

As was pointed out, a mosque in Sussex was attacked last night...

They tried to charge into the building but couldn't get in, so set a fire outside whilst people were inside...

How come the attack on the Synagogue was classed as terrorism but the one on the mosque was only classed as a hate crime?

After all it was only good luck that no-one was injured or worse in the latter case...

But both places were identified places of worship linked to particular but different religions...

So should it only be classed as terrorism if an arab/muslim is the perpetrator?
And not if it turns out to be right wing british people?

Yet again, it would never have happened if the sicko islamic extremist coward hadnt murdered innocent Jewish worshippers!!

 

[Si_]

As was pointed out, a mosque in Sussex was attacked last night...

They tried to charge into the building but couldn't get in, so set a fire outside whilst people were inside...

How come the attack on the Synagogue was classed as terrorism but the one on the mosque was only classed as a hate crime?

The clue is in the definition of the words.

But if you are so eager to attribute an arson attack on a religious building to terrorism, maybe start with the dozens of churches that are set on fire every year, with hundreds more being vandalised, but never make the headlines because you know, who cares?

Claims data from specialist insurer Ecclesiastical shows over 150 churches across the UK have suffered arson attacks over the past five years, causing millions of pounds worth of damage to historic buildings. In the latest incident, Pitsmoor Christ Church was the victim of a fire on 4 July, which South Yorkshire Police are investigating as arson. While the number of attacks dropped during the pandemic, churches are b to take urgent action over the summer months when arson attacks more frequently occur.



The Countryside Alliance was able to find out that there were 9,148 records of theft, burglary, criminal damage, vandalism and assault taking place at a church from January 2022-December 2024.

The breakdown of this was:

3,758 thefts and burglaries, not including 179 lead and metal thefts,
3,237 incidents of criminal damage, vandalism and arson,
1,974 cases of violence.

The results are likely to be much higher, as only 43 out of 45 police forces responded to the requests by the Countryside Alliance and only 33 of these provided figures.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

No, he doesnt....

He does.
There's nothing like a sensible debate, and that was nothing like a sensible debate.

 

[Odds]

Nope, I don't believe that if a protest is going on then the opposing protesters should be able to protest their feelings but not in the same place at the same time as the other protests. A gathering of two sides with opposing views is a recipe for a riot.

Fair comment - although i hope the police don't get involved to the extent of determining whether or not a protest should go ahead.

 

[motorbiking]

There is a defense in law whereby you can commit a crime in order to prevent a greater crime...

I think you might not have remembered that correctly. There is no such defence.

That was why some people were acquitted of criminal damage when they damaged Hawk jets that were going to be used by Indonesia against East Timor...

Perverse verdicts don't mean the charge wasn't valid, just that the jury didn't want to convict.

Again you mention Jews, but it is the action of israel that is being compared in some instances...

Its quite obvious that for some its a good excuse for a bit of Jew hating.

Vanessa Felts was talking about being attacked and chased down the road on LBC today by a "peaceful" Gaza Marcher shouting "there's Vanessa Felts the nazi zionist facist" through a megaphone, which resulted in her being chased. Fortunately the "peaceful" Gaza marcher was arrested.

I am 54 and have never attended any protest or March, I actually think the idea of restricting weekly reoccurring protest is not a limit to one's freedom, but rather a recognition that a protest might actually be limiting others from enjoying theirs.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

I think you might not have remembered that correctly. There is no such defence.

it's an acknowledged legal defence as a defence of necessity, or of course, self defence.

Perverse verdicts don't mean the charge wasn't valid, just that the jury didn't want to convict.

You can still be charged, that's when the defence of necessity or self defence is used.

Its quite obvious that for some its a good excuse for a bit of Jew hating.

It's quite obvious that you believe that is so, but your belief does not make it so.


Going back to Diane Abbott's comment about anti Semitism being different to other types of racism, it's easy to argue that it is different, it has a different word to describe it.
If it's not different why does it have a special word. all to itself, to describe it?
Why not call it racism, just like any other form of racism.

 

[transam]

The irony

A labour government essentially curtailing the right to protest

The irony a labour government asking plod to arrest essentially a load of OAPs on this palistinian action mob protests

A labour government

Sort of thing buffoon Trump is doing or wants to do

 

[MNW67]

The irony

A labour government essentially curtailing the right to protest

The irony a labour government asking plod to arrest essentially a load of OAPs on this palistinian action mob protests

A labour government

Sort of thing buffoon Trump is doing or wants to do

I think they just want to spread the protests around so other areas can enjoy them.

 

[motorbiking]

That was my take also.

Seemed reasonable to me. Though I do note that the last Labour government had form for turning reasonable laws on their head and enabling abuse of power.

 

[mitch66]

Going back to Diane Abbott's comment about anti Semitism being different to other types of racism, it's easy to argue that it is different, it has a different word to describe it.
If it's not different why does it have a special word. all to itsitself.

Is Islamaphobia a special word too?

 

[Si_]

The law on protests was fine until certain groups decided to act in bad faith. For decades protests were sporadic, planned and purposeful. Now the pro-terror crowd and the climate loons want to redefine the word to mean maximum disruption at any and all times until they get their way. That's not a protest, it's a mob.