Motability Cars

[Ivor Windybottom]

The Invacar was designed in the 1960s, and was every bit as unreliable and dangerous as every other 1960s car. It was just a smaller version of them.

The concept was good though. A basic, cheap, small car that did the job. Today's equivalent would be utterly different, probably something like a Dacia Spring...

If you're not happy with driving that then buy something else... yourself, with your own money like everyone else does. Perhaps allow a contribution from the govt, but not the full amount, as proving you can afford the upgrade kind of proves you don't really need charity.

The banks, car and leasing companies make lots of money from the "charity" that Motability claims to be. They also dodge paying VAT too. So expect lots of big influential businesses to bribe and influence politicians to resist changing the current system.

 

[pete01]

Would you want one?

In what kind of world, what kind of society, would you like to live in, where because someone is disabled they have to have a car like that? What makes you so cruel?



It seems the largest font here isn't big enough, as you still haven't spotted the info telling you that

MOTABILITY CARS ARE NOT "HANDED OUT". SOME BENEFIT CLAIMANTS CAN ELECT TO TAKE A CAR IN PLACE OF SOME OF THEIR CASH BENEFIT.

What would you do? Tell someone that they can have a benefit to which they are entitled, but if they try to spend it on a car it'll get taken away from them? What's wrong with you?




How easy is it to scam, and get the higher rate of payment? How significant are the amounts of fraud? How many genuine claimants are you prepared to see denied access to a benefit-in-kind which costs no more than benefit-in-cash in order to stop "the scammers trying to get a car when they don't need one"?

Stop shouting at us theres a good chap

 

[ellal]

If like to give the non-disabled moaners a full-on dose of disability for a month, they'd STFU then.

Seems that they already have a nasty 'disability'...

A total lack of empathy coupled with a pathetically arrogant 'it'll never happen to me' attitude!

 

[fillyboy]

Stop shouting at us theres a good chap

REPORTED.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Seems that they already have a nasty 'disability'...

A total lack of empathy coupled with a pathetically arrogant 'it'll never happen to me' attitude!

I'm feeling a bit sad.

Give me a massive BMW to make me happy.

 

[ellal]

I'm feeling a bit sad.

Give me a massive BMW to make me happy.

Yep, the correct word was indeed pathetic...

Your 'disability' of course has no cure or treatment as it is self inflicted!

 

[morqthana]

Where did I say anything about them being motability vehicles?

Given this:

Motability Cars​

I am hearing and reading that up to 1 in 5 new cars is bought on the motability scheme ?
and for as little a £8k theey can upgrade to a Merecedes C Class
also told many are used 6 days a week as family cars and they take the mother to the shops once a week

What on earth is going on - no wonder the country is bankrupt

One in five new cars are bought through Motability – has it gone too far?

Motability is now the largest fleet car operator in Europe and costs the taxpayer £2.8bn. Peter Stanford’s mother benefited from the tax-break scheme in the 1980s and it changed her life – but, he asks, can we really afford it when there isn’t enough money to go around?

www.independent.co.uk

which is clearly a complaint about the whole idea of disabled people being allowed to take a benefit-in-kind as an alternative to cash, and this:

HIT , NAIL & HEAD springs to mind

which is clearly unequivocal support for the complaint, and this:

Where do I sign up?

Fek it, if you cant beat em join em

which expresses the idea that people can get Motability vehicles pretty much just for the asking, it's reasonable that your post

The disabled bays at my local supermarket are more often than not taken up by big 4x4 luxury motors.

was made fully in the context of Motability.

But even if it wasn't, it was still pitching in with a negative view of disabled people having big 4x4 luxury motors. The context makes that inevitable, and why make it after the preceding posts if it's not a complaint?

And anyway - I didn't write that you were saying they were Motability cars.

I wrote:

those "big 4x4 luxury motors" which Mottie seems to think disabled people should be forbidden to own may just be cars they own, and not Motability vehicles.

in a reply to Securespark's comment that he couldn't find any large luxury 4x4s on Motability.

 

[morqthana]

You'd be surprised what the scammers can do

‘Horrific’ stats show how most disability benefit fraud allegations are false

A “staggering” and “horrific” proportion of allegations of disability benefit fraud that are made by the public are eventually found to be completely false, the government’s own figures have reveal…

www.disabilitynewsservice.com

 

[Highway Man]

Would you want one?

In what kind of world, what kind of society, would you like to live in, where because someone is disabled they have to have a car like that? What makes you so cruel?

Pipe down sloppy. There is nothing cruel about giving a car to a person who needs it and is on invalidity benefits. You are a strange chap.

 

[securespark]

For all those saying that the invalid carriage would be acceptable, what about those disabled people who cannot drive and need someone else to do the driving for them?

 

[Highway Man]

For all those saying that the invalid carriage would be acceptable, what about those disabled people who cannot drive and need someone else to do the driving for them?

Indeed, what about those confined to a wheelchair?

Different. They can get a lift with someone who has a car in that case.

 

[securespark]

It doesn't work like that!

According to your rules, they can have a car, unless they don't fit that car, in which case they have to rely on someone else who may or may not have a car, may or may not live nearby, may or may not be available, etc, etc...

Can see how ludicrous this sounds?

The whole point about the system is that the disabled person is exchanging benefit that they are entitled to (let's not forget that PIP is designed to help disabled people to do things they cannot do) for a vehicle that gives them the freedom and independence that everyone else takes for granted.

 

[morqthana]

The Invacar was designed in the 1960s, and was every bit as unreliable and dangerous as every other 1960s car. It was just a smaller version of them.

No, it wasn't. It was a very basic, single person 3-wheeler, and it wasn't safe.

On 31 March 2003, almost all of the remaining Invacars owned by the government were recalled and scrapped because of safety concerns. These included failing crash tests at Mira in 1974, a high accident rate and poor handling test results.

The concept was good though. A basic, cheap, small car that did the job.

The concept was dreadful. Leaving aside the safety problems, and the fact that everything about the car enforced a kind of pauper status on disabled people, it was a single seater.

So if a user needed help to get in, and have a wheelchair folded and stowed, what happened at the other end of their journey? Any helper would have to travel separately, so 2 cars on the road instead of one, and the disabled driver forced to travel alone, with no company. And you think that's good?

Wow.

If a user had a wheelchair which didn't fold, it wouldn't go in. And you think it did the job?

Wow again.

If you're not happy with driving that then buy something else... yourself, with your own money like everyone else does.

Err - that's what people do. Unless you'd like to claim that after people have been paid a benefit, the money doesn't become theirs, and the state has the right to dictate to them how they may and may not spend it?

Perhaps allow a contribution from the govt, but not the full amount, as proving you can afford the upgrade kind of proves you don't really need charity.

People don't get the full amount if they pay for an upgrade. That's why it's them paying for an upgrade.

And "charity"?

Shame you weren't born 200 years ago - you'd have loved the Victorian workhouse system.

The banks, car and leasing companies make lots of money from the "charity" that Motability claims to be. They also dodge paying VAT too. So expect lots of big influential businesses to bribe and influence politicians to resist changing the current system.

Dear god...

 

[Mottie]

I remember some people used to rather unkindly call them 'Spaz charriots' and I remember seeing them on the touch line at some West Ham home matches. I think other clubs allowed it too.

 

[morqthana]

Pipe down sloppy. There is nothing cruel about giving a car to a person who needs it and is on invalidity benefits. You are a strange chap.

But you're not talking about a "car", you're talking about what used to be called an "invalid carriage".