Missing parts needed for (farm) metal gate

[JohnD]

It sounds like you mean you are going to stand your oil drum on the ground and pour concrete into it.

If you wanted to tip such a drum over, attaching a twelve-foot lever to it would probably do the trick.

An actual wall would be far better.

 

[Tigercubrider]

If you can calculate the weight of the gate, can you calculate the weight of a barrel of concrete?
How many litres is the barrel? 210?
( Convert the litre figure of barrel).
5 ltrs of just sand is 8kg. Same in concrete about 12kg

Could you potentially bolt and use steel ties inside the barrels to connect TWO barrels together?

If “no digging” are you able to get away with driving a scaff pole or similar into the ground?
A 12:foot gate is a massive lever.
A jockey wheel might help but if the barrel isn’t fixed down you have a potential lever to move it

 

[muckington]

It sounds like you mean you are going to stand your oil drum on the ground and pour concrete into it.

Yes thats right!

If you wanted to tip such a drum over, attaching a twelve-foot lever to it would probably do the trick.

An actual wall would be far better.

But no digging is allowed!

 

[muckington]

If you can calculate the weight of the gate, can you calculate the weight of a barrel of concrete?
How many litres is the barrel? 210?
( Convert the litre figure of barrel).
5 ltrs of just sand is 8kg. Same in concrete about 12kg

Yes 205 litres

Could you potentially bolt and use steel ties inside the barrels to connect TWO barrels together?

I guess if it is not heavy enough then that would be another option of adding another barrel

If “no digging” are you able to get away with driving a scaff pole or similar into the ground?
A 12:foot gate is a massive lever.

I dont know! and i would not know of any thing that would be strong enough for the gate

 

[muckington]

Now leads me to my other question?

What do I use to attach the other end? (please see photo)

 

[Stivino]

Have a look on you tube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=field+gate+hanging+post

 

[stevie888]

0.2 cube of concrete will weigh around 400kg. You could bump this up by filling the barrel with scrap steel and grouting it solid then you'd have a tonne or so at best.

But: anything hanging on the end of the gate will have a 12 to 1 mechanical advantage while the gate itself will be 6 to 1 so with just concrete a child will have it over.

I see 2 options: first a second barrel set a bit away and braced to the first. Trouble is you'd need a second one at an angle for when the gate is open. Best option I think is a fully floating gate: use a conventional hinge at the top to carry the weight of the hinge end and a decent wheel at the other. This doesn't need to castor, just set perpendicular to the gate (a wheel barrow wheel perhaps?) Finally you'd need a hinge at the bottom of the hanging end that allowed telescoping. whil e holding the gate vertical. A scaffold tube through the barrel with a bar inside it would work.

 

[Stivino]

Forget the barrel of concrete.
Get a big post and do it properly.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

If “no digging” are you able to get away with driving a scaff pole or similar into the ground?
A 12:foot gate is a massive lever.

A length of angle iron, welded to the underside of the drum, so it extends out across the gate width, plus a similar second one, extending out to where the gate would be in the open position - might be all that is needed, to counteract the leverage.

 

[muckington]

Have a look on you tube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=field+gate+hanging+post

they are completly different fitting to the one on my gate

 

[muckington]

0.2 cube of concrete will weigh around 400kg. You could bump this up by filling the barrel with scrap steel and grouting it solid then you'd have a tonne or so at best.

But: anything hanging on the end of the gate will have a 12 to 1 mechanical advantage while the gate itself will be 6 to 1 so with just concrete a child will have it over.

so 400kg/ 12=33kg. or 400kg/6 =66kg

Best option I think is a fully floating gate:

But I all ready have the gate (please see photo)

 

[muckington]

Forget the barrel of concrete.
Get a big post and do it properly.
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there is no digging allowed!

 

[muckington]

A length of angle iron, welded to the underside of the drum, so it extends out across the gate width, plus a similar second one, extending out to where the gate would be in the open position - might be all that is needed, to counteract the leverage.

sorry i dont quite understand what you mean there

 

[muckington]

Anyway Jewsons quoted me today; £45+vat for a 800kg bag of ballast and £7.50+vat for a bag of cement. £30 delivery on orders under £200

While Travis Perkins quoted (account holders only) £45+vat for the Ballast, and £6.65+vat for the bags of cement. £20 delivery on orders under £100. They also quoted the same £45+vat for a bag of type 2 hard core (though that would of been cheaper)

Anyone know any where ells cheaper then that? postcrete?

How many bag of cement do you think I will need?

Thanks

 

[muckington]

Now leads me to my other question?

What do I use to attach the other end? (please see photo)

Will one of these do the job?

https://www.screwfix.com/p/smith-locke-gate-latch-silver-115mm/286ye

https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/gate-latches-and-springs/4trade-automatic-gate-latch-black/p/223653

https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/gate-latches-and-springs/4trade-automatic-gate-latch-galvanised/p/802964

Or are they just to small?