May god be with you.

[Elsa TLC]

Its all down to the church after a night down the pub.

BBC News - Tommy Robinson supporters are turning to Christianity, leaving the Church in a dilemma

Why Tommy Robinson supporters are turning to Christianity

The Church of England is grappling with what to do about followers of the far-right figure embracing faith.

www.bbc.com

 

[blup]

It’s an old trick of the far right, identify what sets us apart from foreigners and adopt it. Utter ******.

 

[Elsa TLC]

It’s an old trick of the far right, identify what sets us apart from foreigners and adopt it. Utter ******.

Bless you, my child

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Bless you

Gesundheit!

 

[Elsa TLC]

Gesundheit!

I bless you my child

 

[SPLINE]

Tommy's carol singing event went well today. Huge crowd. Nothing good about it in the MSM of course, usual "Far Right" rubbish.

For some good bible thumping, seek out Speaker's Corner Bob. Forget the CofE.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

It’s an old trick of the far right, identify what sets us apart from foreigners and adopt it. Utter ******.

Rather a cynical attitude about people who have found God.

 

[Highway Man]

Tommy's carol singing event went well today. Huge crowd. Nothing good about it in the MSM of course, usual "Far Right" rubbish.

For some good bible thumping, seek out Speaker's Corner Bob. Forget the CofE.

Isn't it amazing when you look at that crowd of patriots and how normal that they all look. A marvellous event and a very special moment. Patriots all showing their support for the spirit of christmas and spreading the love, then there are the leftys all simply spreading their hate, I know which side of the fence I am on, not a believer in god but a believer in a better world.

 

[fillyboy]

My wife and I were raised as Catholics but both fell by the wayside in terms of belief. Neither of us believe in God as such and we don't go to Church, which prior to their deaths, caused both sets of parents some grief.
Anyway, some 40 odd years ago Mrs filly succumbed to alcoholism which resulted in our marriage ending and the loss of everything, house included, that we'd worked for. Eventually, after a few years, mrs filly joined AA, she embraced their programme, met loads of celebs and became quite a focus of the movement for a couple of years because that's the kind of woman she is, passionate in everything she does.

Anyway, the AA doctrine has a sort of quasi religious undertone, or not, in that it references a 'higher power', no Gods, no religion, just the reference that everybody has some form of higher power. Whether or not a higher power was involved, or maybe she reached her 'rock bottom' which some need to do, she stopped drinking .

So for me, the bottom line is that neither of us believe in God or religion, Mrs filly has seen at least half a dozen friends or people she was in treatment with die from alcoholism, she survived, she hasn't had a drink for over 30 years, and she still believes to this day that she was helped by her 'higher power', no God, no religion, just some sort of higher power that she has no understanding of, and nor do I, and we don't care., she's alive.

 

[Odds]

Aye, but some folk find strength through faith. They have a moral backbone to help them through those difficult times. Something less tolerant people fail to acquire.

 

[blup]

Rather a cynical attitude about people who have found God.

The MAGA bible isn’t the Bible to be fair

 

[blup]

My wife and I were raised as Catholics but both fell by the wayside in terms of belief. Neither of us believe in God as such and we don't go to Church, which prior to their deaths, caused both sets of parents some grief.
Anyway, some 40 odd years ago Mrs filly succumbed to alcoholism which resulted in our marriage ending and the loss of everything, house included, that we'd worked for. Eventually, after a few years, mrs filly joined AA, she embraced their programme, met loads of celebs and became quite a focus of the movement for a couple of years because that's the kind of woman she is, passionate in everything she does.

Anyway, the AA doctrine has a sort of quasi religious undertone, or not, in that it references a 'higher power', no Gods, no religion, just the reference that everybody has some form of higher power. Whether or not a higher power was involved, or maybe she reached her 'rock bottom' which some need to do, she stopped drinking .

So for me, the bottom line is that neither of us believe in God or religion, Mrs filly has seen at least half a dozen friends or people she was in treatment with die from alcoholism, she survived, she hasn't had a drink for over 30 years, and she still believes to this day that she was helped by her 'higher power', no God, no religion, just some sort of higher power that she has no understanding of, and nor do I, and we don't care., she's alive.

I cancelled my membership of AA when they took three hours to change a battery

 

[noseall]

Tommy's carol singing event........................ of course, usual "Far Right" rubbish.

Correct. You missed off convicted felon and right wing thug, Tommy.

 

[blup]

Tommy's carol singing event went well today. Huge crowd. Nothing good about it in the MSM of course, usual "Far Right" rubbish.

For some good bible thumping, seek out Speaker's Corner Bob. Forget the CofE.

He’ll be converting to Izlam next.

 

[morqthana]

1. The story of Christmas is a tale of poverty and flight from persecution. According to Christian tradition, humanity’s saviour is born in a stable, since Mary and Joseph are unable to find a room in Bethlehem. The holy family subsequently flee to Egypt to escape the murderous intentions of King Herod. This drama grounds the New Testament message of compassion for the stranger, the fugitive and all those who find themselves far from home. “I was hungry and you gave me food to eat,” says Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew. “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.”


2. I would certainly be interested to hear how Robinson and his newfound mentors such as Pastor Rikki Doolan or Bishop Ceirion Dewar would interpret either Exodus 23:9 (“Do not oppress a foreigner; you yourselves know how it feels to be foreigners, because you were foreigners in Egypt”), or Matthew 25, in which Jesus suggests that the basis on which people will be separated into sheep and goats at the last judgment will be whether or not they visited the sick, fed the hungry or – most significantly in this context – were hospitable to strangers.


3. Arun Arora, the bishop of Kirkstall and co-lead bishop on racial justice, said Christianity was being used as “a flag of convenience by the far right; a nationalist ideology cloaking itself in religion”.

He added: “Any attempt to co-opt Christianity to particular political agendas or ideologies should be viewed with deep suspicion. The far right has often sought to wrap itself in flags or symbols, which belong to us all, and now they are seeking to do it with Christmas – that should be resisted.”

Anderson Jeremiah, the bishop of Edmonton, said he had written to parishes across the capital to encourage diverse congregations at a time when “divisive” figures were promoting the “false, toxic premise that British identity equals Christian identity equals white European identity”.


Four bishops in the diocese of Southwark issued a statement earlier this week in direct response to the far-right organised carols event. “Any co-opting or corrupting of the Christian faith to exclude others is unacceptable, and we are gravely concerned about the use of Christian symbols and rhetoric to apparently justify racism and anti-migrant rhetoric,” they said.


The theologian Dr Krish Kandiah, the founder and director of the Sanctuary Foundation that welcomes refugees, said the values driving Robinson’s rhetoric were not the values of the Bible. “He does not speak for all Christians. His core principles are not in line with the Christmas message,” he said. “The Christmas story is not about fear or exclusion, it is about hospitality, vulnerability, grace and love.”