'UK has been colonised by immigrants'

[Ivor Windybottom]

Of the remaining six million, about one and half million are unemployed, about three and a half million are classed as unable to work due to health, and about a million are caring either for young children or those with disabilities.

All on the make from the rest of us, it all amounts to the same thing.

Obviously all three categories have genuine stories of need. But some people are much more skilled at being in need than others. Council estates and social media are universities in benefits claiming, they all swap tips on what boxes to tick and what stories to cobble together.

You can't have generous benefits for those genuinely in need AND prevent fraud. Many conditions are self-diagnosed or can be easily faked. The choice is between tough for all and a country with a future, or everyone in need gets looked after and we continue our current path towards national bankruptcy and mass poverty on a scale not seen since victorian times.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Trouble is, certain ethnicities don’t integrate. They form their own little colonies and push others out. That pysses people off.

"In short, European nations took the line of least resistance by privileging immigrant communities with the freedom to preserve their unique cultures in lieu of assimilation. But this was done with insufficient strategic thought on the longer-term implications. The formation of enclaves accentuated the challenges of integrating the immigrants because they lived not as a part of their host societies but perpetually apart from them".

Ethnic Enclaves and Multi-Culturalism

SYNOPSIS Multi-culturalism has often led to the formation of ethnic enclaves in urban centres. This is paradoxical but a reality. It has happened in many western countries and is evident in Singapore. Three factors have contributed to this, namely, the colonial past; the blindside of policy...

rsis.edu.sg

I get that to a degree, however I always then think of Brits that move abroad. Economic aspects aside, I suspect many Brits gravitate to other Brits in their new locale?

Heck I was watching a tv prog a few weeks back and a woman on it had been living in Spain for years. She seemed to take a degree of pride in the fact she still spoke zero Spanish. And in decades/centuries gone by, when Britain did colonise other countries, did we integrate?

Look, I get these examples aren't like for like. However there are areas of crossover and a risk of hypocrisy when this stuff is being discussed.

Say you moved to Sudan decades ago for work and your family went with you, including your mum. Let's then say your mum didn't want to integrate at all. She didn't want to meet any indigenous folk, she didn't want to learn the language, she basically wanted to remain as isolated in her British bubble as possible. Is she a horrible person for taking that approach? Is she to be demonised?

I'll say again, I get the scenarios are different when you drill down e.g. we're moving abroad to work etc. However when it comes to the integration part, there will be many Brits that do minimal integration when living in foreign lands.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

He's been ordered by the top man to apologise...

PM asks Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'

Sir Keir Starmer says comments by the businessman and Manchester United co-owner are "offensive and wrong".

www.bbc.co.uk

I don't think Kier's very good at picking fights, this is bound to backfire on him one way or another.

Some very selective hand-picked quotes collected by the BBC there, from every left-wing organisation in existence, with absolutely no other side of the debate. Good work by the government propaganda unit.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

He's been ordered by the top man to apologise...

PM asks Sir Jim Ratcliffe to apologise for saying UK 'colonised by immigrants'

Sir Keir Starmer says comments by the businessman and Manchester United co-owner are "offensive and wrong".

www.bbc.co.uk

I don't think Kier's very good at picking fights, this is bound to backfire on him one way or another.

He'd have had a firmer footing if he himself hadn't said a few months back we risk becoming an island of strangers

 

[motorbiking]

Very true

"The UK economy would be 3.6% smaller by 2040 if net migration fell to zero, forcing the government to raise taxes to combat a much bigger budget deficit, a thinktank has predicted"

"Jump of £37bn in budget deficit by 2040 would force government to increase taxes, NIESR predicts"

Link

Unsurprisingly those that moan the loudest at tax rises also ignore the £90bn a year we are losing because of brexit...

They of course tend to be supporters of the biggest economic/social suicide note in history!

You fail to analyse the %ile they occupy as tax payers. Most of the taxes are paid by high earners.

 

[blup]

Jim should be a case study for those who call for politicians to be drawn from people who come from a business background.

 

[Munroast]

It used to be said the Norse replaced the indigenous Britons when they invaded but subsequent research into archaeological discoveries, and the advances in dna testing, reveal the story isn't so straightforward. Thier migration was forced by a need for farmland which the British Isles had in abundance compared to Norway, for instance, and modern migrants are looking for similar opportunities, albeit in an urban cityscape.

There is no research to suggest they're looking to 'replace' anybody.

left wing research...

bulk of inward migration is to take advantage of the society and economy that our for fathers have built or us. They will then slowly but surely try to impose ther ideals and cultures onto us, which they are doing - why should we give it away

 

[MNW67]

Jim should be a case study for those who call for politicians to be drawn from people who come from a business background.

He is incredibly good at what he does in his business niche. But he doesn't really seem to have a clue about other things. To claim that the UK population has gone up by twelve million since 2020 is just nuts. Claiming that the UK had 25% GDP from manufacturing as recently as 1995 is utterly ridiculous. Maybe living in Monaco means he doesn't really know about the UK.

 

[blup]

He is incredibly good at what he does in his business niche. But he doesn't really seem to have a clue about other things. To claim that the UK population has gone up by twelve million since 2020 is just nuts. Claiming that the UK had 25% GDP from manufacturing as recently as 1995 is utterly ridiculous. Maybe living in Monaco means he doesn't really know about the UK.

I hadn't appreciated he lived in Monaco, isn't that full of tax avoiding colonists?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I hadn't appreciated he lived in Monaco, isn't that full of tax avoiding colonists?

The difference is that they contribute to their host nation, not take from it.

 

[ellal]

A 'think-tank' can come up with whatever conclusion you want it to, depending on the opinions of those 'experts' in said 'think-tank'. I saw it all the time when I was working in the charity education business.

Would you accept the conclusion of a 'think-tank' formed of Reform members?

Strangely enough the forecasts of the brexit losses were on the whole proven correct...

And you mention a 'reform think tank'...

An oxy moron of course, but they did come to the conclusion of being able to cut council spending and council tax...

What happened to that?

 

[MNW67]

All on the make from the rest of us, it all amounts to the same thing.

Obviously all three categories have genuine stories of need. But some people are much more skilled at being in need than others. Council estates and social media are universities in benefits claiming, they all swap tips on what boxes to tick and what stories to cobble together.

You can't have generous benefits for those genuinely in need AND prevent fraud. Many conditions are self-diagnosed or can be easily faked. The choice is between tough for all and a country with a future, or everyone in need gets looked after and we continue our current path towards national bankruptcy and mass poverty on a scale not seen since victorian times.

I don't think we can blame the unemployed. A country needs a certain number of people out of work; estimated at about 4% to 5% of the workforce.

Likewise, single parents with very young children can't really work.

The big issue is the number of people claiming as unable to work through health and also perhaps the number claiming to have full time care responsibilities.

 

[ellal]

The difference is that they contribute to their host nation, not take from it.

But they take away from their home nation

 

[ellal]

You fail to analyse the %ile they occupy as tax payers. Most of the taxes are paid by high earners.

You fail to understand that they pay far more through consumer taxes...

Unless of course you think they can afford paying VAT/excise duties on what they buy/use?

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

But they take away from their home nation

Nobody disputes that. But it's a totally different equation, you can't say someone who lives in Monaco can't have an opinion on immigration. The two are not related.

If he was complaining about tax-dodgers then he'd be a hypocrite. But he isn't.