Will Iran and the US reach a long term cease fire this weekend?

fillyboy said:
21 hours solid of talks, sounds like Iran wouldn't back down on the US red line of not producing nukes. Probably best the US re-engage sooner rather than later because there's a shedload of rockets on their way from China.
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The idea of arming a country to dissuade potential attackers is a core tenet of national defense strategy known as deterrence. The fundamental goal is to convince an adversary that the costs of an attack would far outweigh any potential benefits

[Deterrence is] [t]he convincing of a potential aggressor that the consequences of coercion or armed conflict would outweigh the potential gains. This requires the maintenance of a credible military capability and strategy with the clear political will to act
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Do you think the Iranians think differently to us? :rolleyes:
 
Koolpc said:
I can't see it myself. I think there is 'unfinished' business left in Iran to sort out. Unfortunately.

The people of Iran deserve to live in peace and without fear. That, will only happen when true democracy reigns there.
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Israel is the only democratic country in the region, I cannot ever see Iran becoming the second.
 
Highway Man said:
Israel is the only democratic country in the region, I cannot ever see Iran becoming the second.
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By one measure several Middle East countries have a higher rating than Israel:
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Deliberative:
In democracy scores, particularly those produced by the Varieties of Democracy (V-Dem) Institute, the term deliberative measures the extent to which political decisions are based on public reasoning, respectful dialogue, and a focus on the common good, rather than on coercion, emotional appeals, or narrow self-interest.
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Deliberative Democracy in Practice: Handbooks on Commissioning, Facilitating, and Evaluating Deliberative Processes

Governments seeking to address declining trust, increasing polarisation, and greater complexity in government policy have increasingly turned to democratic innovations to engage citizens. For practitioners and academics alike, the term ‘deliberative wave’ has become shorthand to describe the...
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The West Bank is only fractionally behind Israel, and they're not allowed to vote, nor have an election.
 
King Billy said:
By one measure several Middle East countries have a higher rating than Israel:
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Deliberative:

delibdemjournal.org

Deliberative Democracy in Practice: Handbooks on Commissioning, Facilitating, and Evaluating Deliberative Processes

Governments seeking to address declining trust, increasing polarisation, and greater complexity in government policy have increasingly turned to democratic innovations to engage citizens. For practitioners and academics alike, the term ‘deliberative wave’ has become shorthand to describe the...
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The West Bank is only fractionally behind Israel, and they're not allowed to vote, nor have an election.
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Iran is a authoritarian theocracy actually. Libya is not a functioning democracy which is top of your list !!!!
 
Highway Man said:
Iran is a authoritarian theocracy actually. Libya is not a functioning democracy which is top of your list !!!!
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It governs through deliberation of its policies and legislation. I provided the reading material for you to learn about deliberative democracies.
 
Odds said:
You haven't even read it.
That's the trouble with c'nts like you.
A quick glance at the headline with no analysis of the story
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No need for that sort of language Mr potty mouth.
King Billy said:
It governs through deliberation of its policies and legislation. I provided the reading material for you to learn about deliberative democracies.
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No need to read about it, I already have and I am well versed in these countries and their politics. You keep thinking that they are Mr blinkered easily swayed and hoodwinked.
 
It all broke down because :

- the US didn't send negotiators, only half - baked lackies for the stroppy toddler
- the US have no determination for the effort required, they just want "a deal" like the rest of us want heads or tails from a coin toss. 21 hrs? Whoopy - dooo.........
- fundamentally, the US haven't grasped (can't grasp) that they don't hold the cards here. Hence the need for genuine, intelligent, non-belligerent, nuanced negotiators
 
Brigadier said:
It all broke down because :

- the US didn't send negotiators, only half - baked lackies for the stroppy toddler
- the US have no determination for the effort required, they just want "a deal" like the rest of us want heads or tails from a coin toss. 21 hrs? Whoopy - dooo.........
- fundamentally, the US haven't grasped (can't grasp) that they don't hold the cards here. Hence the need for genuine, intelligent, non-belligerent, nuanced negotiators
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Surprise surprise eh?
 
None of the US goals have been met. Iran clearly is not begging for a deal. There has been no regime change. The straits of Hormuz is not open. There is a reason why no other US presidents have waged a direct war like this with Iran, Trump has made a massive mistake even though we should be wanting him to win this war, he has gone about it all wrong. Not one thing has changed and if you look at the results so far, Iran is holding more of a card than the US holds.
 
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