Why's Starmer still the PM?

[King Billy]

So if someone who is from an ethnic minority supports them, then they are in my opinion either naive, or blissfully ignorant.

I don't think I'd agree with you on that. Many immigrants, first, second or subsequent generations, have the "pull up the drawbridge" attitude.
Whether that is motivated by a desire to be accepted by indigenous people, or the acceptance that UK is full up, or the typical blaming of immigrants for one's lack of progress in society, or an annoyance at irregular arrivals, is hard to say.
So yes, perhaps naive or ignorant because they've been duped into accepting he misnomer of illegal immigrant to describe asylum seekers.
When I say irregular arrivals, I'm referring to asylum seekers, which the far-right regular describe as illegal immigrants, which of course is the misnomer. But everyone who doesn't bother to look up the proper definitions of illegal immigrants and asylum seeker, would be easily fooled into assuming that all asylum seekers are illegal immigrants, such is the use of the misnomer, and thus their dislike of them, especially when many or even most non-white settled immigrants arrived via regular routes.

 

[Brigadier]

I know very little about the man

You know a little more now

 

[King Billy]

I just dislike the criminals and the the ones milking our state.

No-one likes criminals, but few conflate them with immigrants or non-white people.

 

[Odds]

We have corrupt politicians from all sides. We also have mass immigration coming into a country where Ai will take most jobs.
Massive dept.

We have a problem, a big problem. It needs sorting out.

If you think additional migrants is going to help sort out thid mess, then you deluded.

have i said that?

 

[King Billy]

We have corrupt politicians from all sides. We also have mass immigration coming into a country where Ai will take most jobs.
Massive dept.

We have a problem, a big problem. It needs sorting out.

If you think additional migrants is going to help sort out thid mess, then you deluded.

AI will never meet the vacancies in the care, medical and hospitality industry, where the immigrants fill most vacancies.

 

[Elsa TLC]

AI will never meet the vacancies in the care, medical and hospitality industry, where the immigrants fill most vacancies.

Are they all medical staff on the rubber boats?

 

[Brigadier]

Are they all medical staff on the rubber boats?

Which are decreasing in number.

Regardless (and excuse the expression), small boats really are a drop in the ocean.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

And here ladies and gentlemen I give you honest Bob Jenrick looking pathetic as usual:

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It was a good heckle, followed by a great comeback.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Many immigrants, first, second or subsequent generations, have the "pull up the drawbridge" attitude. Whether that is motivated by a desire to be accepted by indigenous people, or the acceptance that UK is full up, or the typical blaming of immigrants for one's lack of progress in society, or an annoyance at irregular arrivals, is hard to say.

Maybe it's because the high majority of them (close to all of them I'd imagine) came in through legal routes and have worked and contributed for years or decades. They respect the UK and what it stands for. What they see now is folk coming in through dubious routes and getting kept by hardworking taxpayers.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

The fact is (nothing to do with anyone's ideology), that many Reform members are racist. It's pretty obvious Farage himself is racist. Reform are proudly anti-Islam and anti-immigration, especially if said immigrants have brown skin. So if someone who is from an ethnic minority supports them, then they are in my opinion either naive, or blissfully ignorant.

You have to do some pretty spectacular mental gymnastics to think I am racist.

100% garbage.

The Left's standard weapon is to silence all opposing voices using accusations of racism, sexism, whateverism they can thinkofism.

It's just what communist regimes have always done.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I see Farage as a blatant con-man in a political party full of lying and cheating ex-Brexiteer Tories who are trying to manipulate people into voting for them by conning them into believing immigration is making them poorer, but in actual fact they are poorer because of the things the con-men have campaigned for.

Tin foil hat nonsense.

There's no giant conspiracy. Just a majority of people who don't agree with your ideology.

Democracy knows better than any one individual. Accept the outcome.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

No-one likes criminals, but few conflate them with immigrants or non-white people.

Any statistician does.

Almost all anti-social behaviour is disproportionally very high among our new culturally enriching friends in comparison to the native population.

Just facts, not opinions.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Maybe it's because the high majority of them (close to all of them I'd imagine) came in through legal routes and have worked and contributed for years or decades. They respect the UK and what it stands for. What they see now is folk coming in through dubious routes and getting kept by hardworking taxpayers.

Most came in when we had heavy industry and a post-war shortage of working age men.

We welcomed them in because we needed workers. We were actually acting in our own self-interest, we weren't being charitable. It was a win-win for everyone.

Now we have little industry, a surplus of unskilled people already living here and a massive housing shortage. It makes absolutely no sense to bring in more and make our problems worse.

Many don't even intend to work, they just want to take from us.

 

[King Billy]

Maybe it's because the high majority of them (close to all of them I'd imagine) came in through legal routes and have worked and contributed for years or decades. They respect the UK and what it stands for. What they see now is folk coming in through dubious routes and getting kept by hardworking taxpayers.

Which is what I addressed:

I don't think I'd agree with you on that. Many immigrants, first, second or subsequent generations, have the "pull up the drawbridge" attitude.
Whether that is motivated by a desire to be accepted by indigenous people, or the acceptance that UK is full up, or the typical blaming of immigrants for one's lack of progress in society, or an annoyance at irregular arrivals, is hard to say.
So yes, perhaps naive or ignorant because they've been duped into accepting he misnomer of illegal immigrant to describe asylum seekers.
When I say irregular arrivals, I'm referring to asylum seekers, which the far-right regular describe as illegal immigrants, which of course is the misnomer. But everyone who doesn't bother to look up the proper definitions of illegal immigrants and asylum seeker, would be easily fooled into assuming that all asylum seekers are illegal immigrants, such is the use of the misnomer, and thus their dislike of them, especially when many or even most non-white settled immigrants arrived via regular routes.

 

[King Billy]

Any statistician does.

Almost all anti-social behaviour is disproportionally very high among our new culturally enriching friends in comparison to the native population.

Just facts, not opinions.

Have you checked your reference to actual statistics? (Daft question, I know)

Over 24,000 Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (ASBOs) were issued in England and Wales between their introduction in 1999 and the end of the program. Approximately 36% to 41% of all ASBOs were handed out to juveniles (youths under 18), meaning roughly 8,500 to 10,000 ASBOs targeted Britain's wilder youths during that era. [1, 2, 3]
The legislation for ASBOs has since changed, though the underlying statistics and history remain heavily documented by the UK government: [1, 2]

• Policy Shift: ASBOs were officially abolished in England and Wales in 2014, replaced by measures like Criminal Behaviour Orders (CBOs) and Civil Injunctions. ASBOs do, however, remain in use in Scotland.
• The Peak: The peak year for ASBO issuances across the board was 2005, with 4,122 orders handed out.
• High Breach Rates: Young people were the most likely to flout the strict terms of their orders. Official figures showed that up to 73% of ASBOs given to 12-to-14-year-olds were breached at least once.
• The "Badge of Honour" Effect: Youth justice workers and researchers consistently noted that many youths wore their ASBOs as a "badge of honour", actually boosting their street credibility rather than acting as a deterrent. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

You can review the historical statistical notices and breakdowns of the orders on the UK Government Publications or explore further context on the UK Parliament Research Briefings.

But I don't suppose you'd be interested in doing that.