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[Mottie]

Im needing to buy a new van. I keep putting it off and off.

My roast is

Is what to go for:
New Diesel, are they any good and last 10 years?

How long has Diesel vans got before they are not allowed on the roads

New Electric: Have they mastered these now they seem to be dropping in value all the time.

Second hand Electric or Diesel. I need something that will last.

AFAIK, your full time job these days is as a school caretaker with plumbing being your secondary job. Is that correct? If so, I would assume that your main job pays better than the secondary one. Do you really need a new van that is going to last you ten years to do this secondary job? Will the secondary job pay for the purchasing and all running costs of the van with enough profit left over to make it worthwhile? What’s wrong with the van you have at the moment and how much work do you actually need it for? A van is a depreciating asset and if it’s not essential, keep with what you have or if you are intending to buy something, get a car that could get you and some tools to your plumbing jobs such as an estate car or a large hatchback that will do the job. Seems to me that you are just intent on having a new van to do a part time job when it’s not strictly needed.

 

[Elsa TLC]

AFAIK, your full time job these days is as a school caretaker with plumbing being your secondary job. Is that correct? If so, I would assume that your main job pays better than the secondary one. Do you really need a new van that is going to last you ten years to do this secondary job? Will the secondary job pay for the purchasing and all running costs of the van with enough profit left over to make it worthwhile? What’s wrong with the van you have at the moment and how much work do you actually need it for? A van is a depreciating asset and if it’s not essential, keep with what you have or if you are intending to buy something, get a car that could get you and some tools to your plumbing jobs such as an estate car or a large hatchback that will do the job. Seems to me that you are just intent on having a new van to do a part time job when it’s not strictly needed.

Any advice is good. Thank you.

Nothing is concrete. The school job pays £29000 odd . Its a flexible job that I need to control so that I can make the most of the call our work.

There isn't enough of the plumbing call out/ emergency work to keep me going. Yet I can earn more in less than an hour than the school pays in a day. So I need to invest in the business.

Also
I farm my other work out to my mate. This earns me money.
its his 08 traffic thats in need of replacement.
his brakes went on Friday. He doesn't want to keep chucking money at it.

He would have my 14 plate Auto Movano thats still a great drive.

My 10 plate Honda CRV is still a great mover but its gradually falling apart.

i want a double cab to be a work vehicle and a family car that will see out 10 years.

I dont like trucks.

But all your points do make sense. I would never work out of a car. But im being more indecisive as the world keeps changing.

I blame Trump and Brexit for my troubles

 

[Mottie]

I would never work out of a car.

If I needed an emergency plumber, I wouldn’t care less if they turned up on an electric scooter or a bus! Sounds to me that your mate needs a new van more than you do so let him worry about it.

 

[Munroast]

Im needing to buy a new van. I keep putting it off and off.

My roast is

Is what to go for:
New Diesel, are they any good and last 10 years?

How long has Diesel vans got before they are not allowed on the roads

New Electric: Have they mastered these now they seem to be dropping in value all the time.

Second hand Electric or Diesel. I need something that will last.

problem for me is I make many short journeys 6 x 1½mile journeys per day is normal, rarely drive more than 10 in one go. My last diesel van handled it ok as it had no DPF, I doubt a new diesel would tolerate that, got the chance of an ex demonstrtor EV van (12 months old 255 miles on clock and 19K) 10 year toyota warranty -

Had it 2 months now - absolutely love it, fantastic to drive, just hope it doesn’t burst into flames and burn the house down

cheap to run as well, charge through the night at 7p per kwh so its costing about 2.5p per mile - beu very very expensive to insure, many insurance companies won't ouch EV's - which i find worrying

 

[Elsa TLC]

If I needed an emergency plumber, I wouldn’t care less if they turned up on an electric scooter or a bus! Sounds to me that your mate needs a new van more than you do so let him worry about it.

It not that easy. His van is my old van. I gave it to him as we have a back scratching arrangement. Its a loyalty thing

If I give him the work I cant do then at least I can still earn out of it.

Its works for him and for me.

 

[Elsa TLC]

problem for me is I make many short journeys 6 x 1½mile journeys per day is normal, rarely drive more than 10 in one go. My last diesel van handled it ok as it had no DPF, I doubt a new diesel would tolerate that, got the chance of an ex demonstrtor EV van (12 months old 255 miles on clock and 19K) 10 year toyota warranty -

Had it 2 months now - absolutely love it, fantastic to drive, just hope it doesn’t burst into flames and burn the house down

cheap to run as well, charge through the night at 7p per kwh so its costing about 2.5p per mile - beu very very expensive to insure, many insurance companies won't ouch EV's - which i find worrying

Do you always only charge from home?

My problem would also be thst I wont do long journeys as I did do.

Apart from the Odd run my work is local now.

 

[Munroast]

Do you always only charge from home?

My problem would also be thst I wont do long journeys as I did do.

Apart from the Odd run my work is local now.

at the moment yes
I'm with Octopus and their EV tariff gves me 7p per kWh for 5 hours a night, still just using a 3 pin plug (2kw) and that gives me about 30 miles per night, or 210 per week

if I fitted a proper 6kW charger that would be 90 mile per night from the cheap 5 hour window

we also have a diesel car so I have no issues if i suddenly needed to make a long journey (and with a very elderly parent that is possible)

 

[Elsa TLC]

Oʻppp

AFAIK, your full time job these days is as a school caretaker with plumbing being your secondary job. Is that correct? If so, I would assume that your main job pays better than the secondary one. Do you really need a new van that is going to last you ten years to do this secondary job? Will the secondary job pay for the purchasing and all running costs of the van with enough profit left over to make it worthwhile? What’s wrong with the van you have at the moment and how much work do you actually need it for? A van is a depreciating asset and if it’s not essential, keep with what you have or if you are intending to buy something, get a car that could get you and some tools to your plumbing jobs such as an estate car or a large hatchback that will do the job. Seems to me that you are just intent on having a new van to do a part time job when it’s not strictly needed.

Most of what you say is right. But that is my dilemma. I need a reliable van of some sort.
I couldn't possibly work out of an estate car, and my earnings don't warrant a brand new van. My last 3 have been brand new.


The car is also in need for replacement so a double cab does seem the best option.

 

[Mottie]

The car is also in need for replacement so a double cab does seem the best option.

Be honest with yourself. You’ve always wanted a double cab and you're trying to justify getting one.

You could probably fit more gear in your Honda than you could in the back of a double cab.

 

[flameport]

New Diesel, are they any good and last 10 years?

No chance of any new diesel vehicle lasting 10 years. All the pollution reduction crap stuck in them now makes them complex and unreliable.
Any recent diesel is a bust unless you are driving long distances regularly, which means mostly motorway driving - and if doing high mileage they still won't last anywhere near 10 years because the engine will have worn out long before you get there,
Use one in the town for short journeys and start/stop in traffic and it will be wrecked in just a few years.

How long has Diesel vans got before they are not allowed on the roads

In some areas for vehicles of certain age/type that is already here. Inevitable that it will be spreading to other places.

New Electric: Have they mastered these now they seem to be dropping in value all the time.

They work, however it's a mixed bag - a lot of them are the diesel versions with electric drivetrain shoved in so will be far from optimal - however whether that matters depends on what you will be using it for.
Some used electric vehicles can be had reasonably cheaply. Others not.

Any new vehicle will be expensive and incur massive depreciation in the first couple of years regardless of fuel type - which is why most new vehicles are leased rather than purchased outright. However leasing is of no use if you intend to keep a vehicle for many years.

There are now a few vans built specifically as electric vehicles such as the Kia PV5, but those won't be available used for some time, and new will be very expensive.

Second hand Electric or Diesel. I need something that will last.

Diesel probably a bust, unless you drive large distances regularly and want the immense costs of servicing and repairs that go with diesel vehicles.
Electric could be a solution but depends how far you are driving.
Petrol vans exist.

Just don't buy any kind of hybrid effort as those combine all the worst features of everything with none of the benefits.

 

[pete01]

Use one in the town for short journeys and start/stop in traffic and it will be wrecked in just a few years.

Dunno about that, my 1.6 Honda crv has been doing that for about 7 years now....and its still a great car.

 

[Elsa TLC]

Be honest with yourself. You’ve always wanted a double cab and you're trying to justify getting one.

You could probably fit more gear in your Honda than you could in the back of a double cab.

My van at the moment is racked out. I would just need a bespoke racking as I'd have a ¾ less room

 

[Mottie]

My van at the moment is racked out. I would just need a bespoke racking as I'd have a ¾ less room

So you’re talking about a transit van type double cab and not a pickup type so when you are using it as a car, you’ll be lugging all your plumbing gear around with you as well?

 

[Charlie George]

No chance of any new diesel vehicle lasting 10 years. All the pollution reduction crap stuck in them now makes them complex and unreliable.
Any recent diesel is a bust unless you are driving long distances regularly, which means mostly motorway driving - and if doing high mileage they still won't last anywhere near 10 years because the engine will have worn out long before you get there,
Use one in the town for short journeys and start/stop in traffic and it will be wrecked in just a few years.


In some areas for vehicles of certain age/type that is already here. Inevitable that it will be spreading to other places.


They work, however it's a mixed bag - a lot of them are the diesel versions with electric drivetrain shoved in so will be far from optimal - however whether that matters depends on what you will be using it for.
Some used electric vehicles can be had reasonably cheaply. Others not.

Any new vehicle will be expensive and incur massive depreciation in the first couple of years regardless of fuel type - which is why most new vehicles are leased rather than purchased outright. However leasing is of no use if you intend to keep a vehicle for many years.

There are now a few vans built specifically as electric vehicles such as the Kia PV5, but those won't be available used for some time, and new will be very expensive.



Diesel probably a bust, unless you drive large distances regularly and want the immense costs of servicing and repairs that go with diesel vehicles.
Electric could be a solution but depends how far you are driving.
Petrol vans exist.

Just don't buy any kind of hybrid effort as those combine all the worst features of everything with none of the benefits.

Had my current diesel van for 7 years, total cost including purchase, repairs and servicing has worked out at less than 30 pound a week, no electric van could come close to those figures, most of my driving is local, but had to go to Andover a few weeks ago, and drove there and back without refueling, using a similar size ev van i would of had to stop and charge 4 times at least.

 

[Elsa TLC]

So you’re talking about a transit van type double cab and not a pickup type so when you are using it as a car, you’ll be lugging all your plumbing gear around with you as well?

Transit type. Dont like the pick ups they really are useless.
Yes mixing the two may not work.