A waste of life

[noseall]

Intern roles are usually for under graduates. They often explicitly state Graduates should not apply. it is different in the US, however.

Popular in the UK (for graduates) too. My son is considering it, though I'm advising against.

 

[motorbiking]

Popular in the UK (for graduates) too. My son is considering it, though I'm advising against.

is he struggling to find a graduate scheme?

 

[noseall]

is he struggling to find a graduate scheme?

No, he has a paying job. He thinks it's a leg up. It feels a bit disingenuous to me.

 

[motorbiking]

lots of scam firms offer "graduate" jobs and then sell you on, having claimed the tax breaks for "apprentices".

If he has a paying job, in the field he studied, it would be a bad idea to do an internship. If he's macjobbing then it might be worth it.

Short term internships are pretty pointless, but he might get noticed.

 

[Brigadier]

A reminder of what he actually said:

Also we rank 5,not 7. We've moved up 2 since Brexit.

So immigration is making the country even wealthier then

 

[motorbiking]

So immigration is making the country even wealthier then

No it's people like you Brig, who are focused on maximising their potential... oh wait it isn't.

 

[morqthana]

Fab. Wonder what happened in Part 2?

Was he a bit late on the round-out?

 

[morqthana]

I have often seen young people in restaurants serving and waiting etc, some working in sea side resorts serving ice cream and the such and thinking to myself, what a waste of life doing that for a living at their age.

So who do you think should be doing those jobs?

 

[Highway Man]

So who do you think should be doing those jobs?

It isn't who I think should be doing them, my thoughts are when I see young people who are starting out in their working life being forced into working in these type of jobs because there isn't any alternative for them. If that is what they choose to do that is fine but I suspect many are doing it in order to simply have a job after many years of study and trying to better themselves to end up doing a job that isn't what they envisaged themselves doing.

 

[Highway Man]

A chap on GMB today had graduated with computer science, he had applied for 500 jobs before luckily landing one. At what point do you think that you just give up and go do something else. Such a shame for some people.

 

[morqthana]

They know it's happening all right. Since Thatcher they've been selling off the family silver so we're no longer self reliant. Even basic services like public transport, water, energy production. All gone to foreigners. The politicians get a short term gain kickback ans basically don't give a toss. Cumulative effect of this over decades is disasterous for The UK though.

The Guardian agrees with you.


... unless Britain tackles some long-term structural issues, it is in danger of being relegated from the “premier league of nations”. Achieving higher levels of sustainable growth is one challenge. Welfare reform is another.
...
[There] was a complete system failure of the free-market liberal model championed by Margaret Thatcher. Attempts to resuscitate that model have been in vain for one simple reason: the model was a complete dud. It didn’t make the economy grow faster, it didn’t lead to higher levels of investment, it didn’t allow wealth to trickle down from rich to poor.

Instead, it led to deindustrialisation on an epic scale and – by reducing the power of trade unions – created a labour market in which employers were able to call all the shots.
...
It has also led to weaker productivity since employers have used cheap labour as an alternative to investing in new equipment.
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Deindustrialisation didn’t end when the Conservatives lost power in 1997 but continued under Blair. His governments broadly accepted the Thatcherite settlement that they had inherited: a trust in free markets, a concentration on financial services, retaining the legal curbs on trade unions.

And for a while it seemed to work. Cheap goods from China kept inflation and interest rates low, creating the perfect conditions for a property boom. Light-touch regulation spawned an anything-goes mentality in the City, with ministers turning a blind eye to the buildup of debt because tax revenues from excessive speculation could be recycled into higher public spending. It worked until it didn’t. Thatcher’s dream of a liberalised economy died when Lehman Brothers went bust in September 2008.

 

[Brigadier]

No it's people like you Brig, who are focused on maximising their potential... oh wait it isn't.

Au contraire, I'm for freedom to travel and educate overseas, for higher education without being saddled with huge debts, for investment rather than austerity.......

 

[diy_fun_uk]

It isn't who I think should be doing them, my thoughts are when I see young people who are starting out in their working life being forced into working in these type of jobs because there isn't any alternative for them. If that is what they choose to do that is fine but I suspect many are doing it in order to simply have a job after many years of study and trying to better themselves to end up doing a job that isn't what they envisaged themselves doing.

I think part of the challenge is, even more so in todays world, obtaining a degree in whatever subject doesn't afford you the right to a job/career in that specific field, or even a linked field. Hopefully, if it's a valuable degree, it will help the person now or in the future in terms of gaining decent employment even if not a related field to the qualification.

Trust me, I'm not knocking them, however I've seen first hand e.g. a younger person on QT saying 'I have a degree in engineering management, qualified three years ago and still haven't secured employment in that sector'. They have no right as such to expect a job in that sector, just because it's the field they've studied for. Uni's are businesses and will promote courses accordingly. Many students find the real world a very different proposition once they're out there touting themselves.

 

[Diver Fred]

Questions the RW won't answer #101.....

Why do you believe that the 7th largest economy in the world is "doomed", "bankrupt", whatever, because of some occupants of rubber boats?

It's not that long ago the UK was the 4th largest economy. Today the indigenous population is seen by the present government as a revenue stream to be taxed to the lowest common denominator.

 

[Highway Man]

I think part of the challenge is, even more so in todays world, obtaining a degree in whatever subject doesn't afford you the right to a job/career in that specific field, or even a linked field. Hopefully, if it's a valuable degree, it will help the person now or in the future in terms of gaining decent employment even if not a related field to the qualification.

Trust me, I'm not knocking them, however I've seen first hand e.g. a younger person on QT saying 'I have a degree in engineering management, qualified three years ago and still haven't secured employment in that sector'. They have no right as such to expect a job in that sector, just because it's the field they've studied for. Uni's are businesses and will promote courses accordingly. Many students find the real world a very different proposition once they're out there touting themselves.

I agree that nobody is entitled to expect a decent job but when you have studied for what might have been a dream of doing a particular job to find out that particular field is now out of reach must be devastating.