Kitchen light suggestions

[JohnW2]

I didn't mention running costs

I know you didn't, but it seemed to me to be one possible historical reason for doing as you suggested. In any event, I hate indoor PIR-controlled lights, which drive me mad

It's not about that . It's about having a couple of levels of illumination however you achieve thayt

Indeed - and, as I said, I'm considering that, but I personally don't really have any problem with the illumination always being 'full' (and I'm certainly not concerned about the running costs).

 

[JohnW2]

You don't want full illumination the numerous times people are in and out for a glass of water or whatever .... It's actually irritating if that's the setup

As I just wrote, I have no problem with the lights staying on full for appreciable periods of time (e.g 'all evening') - and, as I also wrote, it's the PIR-controlled ones which seriously irritate me - we obviously differ

 

[JohnW2]

How long is a piece of string? Your home? Customers home?

Neither, but what does that matter - do customers and house-owners (who are presumably also customers at times) require different levels of lighting?

Size of room?

I told you in the OP - about 3.1m x 5.0m and just over 3m high.

Lumen out put of existing light?

About 2,100 lumen, I think.
Edit: I've just checked - it claims to be 2,300 lumen, 17 W

 

[flameport]

Currently there is a single ancient 5' fluorescent fitting in the middle of the ceiling

This: https://www.toolstation.com/integral-led-lightspan-ip20-ik08-batten-light/p57915
which will cover the same area on the ceiling and very likely use the same fixing and cable locations.

It will be significantly brighter than the old fluorescent tube and whatever LED replacement affair has been shoved into the old fitting.

 

[JohnW2]

This: https://www.toolstation.com/integral-led-lightspan-ip20-ik08-batten-light/p57915
which will cover the same area on the ceiling and very likely use the same fixing and cable locations. It will be significantly brighter than the old fluorescent tube...

Thanks. Needless to say, I'm reasonably well aware of the options which exist, and hence 'are on my table' but you seem to have missed the sort of advice I was hoping to get. In particular, is it likely that a 1.5m long light fitting (of any type) in the centre of a ceiling (just over 3m high) about 5m long going to provide reasonably uniform illumination throughout the room?

... and whatever LED replacement affair has been shoved into the old fitting.

When I first encountered this property the fluorescent tube in the fitting had apparently been dead for years. I therefore stripped out the control gear and fitted a cheapo 'retrofit'LED tube as a temporary measure. However, as I've said, it actually does provide quite a reasonable level of illumination, although some people would probably like/want it to be a bit brighter!

 

[JohnW2]

... It will be significantly brighter than the old fluorescent tube and whatever LED replacement affair has been shoved into the old fitting.

I've just looked back in my records, and the LED tube I 'shoved in' is 17W and claims to have an output of 2,300 lumens - and, as I said, seems to produce a quite reasonable level of illumination, given that, the (60W) panel you recommended has a claimed output of 7,200 lumens - that's over three times the output of what I have, so wouldn't it be far too bright?

I was also surprised to see that, based on those claimed figures, your panel seems to produce 120 lumens/W, whereas my cheapo LED tube claims about 135 lumens/W - would you expect that? In fact, 60W of LED seems an awful lot - many of the rooms in my house are lit with 12 W or so of LED.

 

[333rocky333]

The 6ft twins have two long led strips within hence the high wattage and brightness , the single version is likely 30 watt, though as you say still considerably higher wattage than your existing

 

[Ragnar_AT]

I‘d be tempted to go with two pendants for ambient lighting and LED battens under the cupboards to light up the work tops in front of anyone standing there.

My kitchen is smaller, about 2.5x3 and I‘ve got one hanging light with glass shades and two 6 W LEDs plus under-cabinet lights, the ancient 60 W incandescent tubes, Osram Linestra in my case. They‘re pretty much only on while I‘m doing the dishes so I‘m not particularly concerned about their power consumption. If the ever burn out I‘ll go for drop-in LED replacements.

Obviously that’s a matter of personal taste.

 

[SUNRAY]

This: https://www.toolstation.com/integral-led-lightspan-ip20-ik08-batten-light/p57915
which will cover the same area on the ceiling and very likely use the same fixing and cable locations.

It will be significantly brighter than the old fluorescent tube and whatever LED replacement affair has been shoved into the old fitting.

I will say that my negative comments about fluo replacement LEDs are eventually fading.

I imagine it's some of those I recently encountered in a corridor by their shape and Watt for Watt found them to be a little brighter than the Fluo's, whether that would be true of new fluo tubes I know not.

How about a couple of 4 or 5ft singles instead?

from the drop down list on FPs link.

I currently have a single 6ft 40W single (part of a rip-out job before kitchen fitters destroy the ceiling with a multitude of downlighters) laying atop my prismatic ceiling tiles beside my row of 3 5ft fluos (kitchen is 3m x 6m), I'll say it doesn't beat the 60W fluo for light level but a very close second, noticeably reduced level for Zoom meetings which I put down to reduced spectrum coverage rather than lumens level. Also up there I've had a 6ft LAP 24W 3600LM tube (yet another LED fluo tube under 1yr old with a blown fuse) which in no way competes with the 5ft 60W fluo or 6ft 40W LED fitting but is vastly better than a Vtac 5ft 20W 2100LM.

 

[JohnW2]

The 6ft twins have two long led strips within hence the high wattage and brightness , the single version is likely 30 watt ...

The 60 W one flameport linked to was 5 ft, but I image probably "2 x 30W" (it's fairly 'wide')

though as you say still considerably higher wattage than your existing

Quite so. When flameport wrote ...

..... It will be significantly brighter than the old fluorescent tube and whatever LED replacement affair has been shoved into the old fitting.

... it is hardly a surprise that his 60 W LED fitting would be "significantly brighter" thn my cheapo 17W replacement tube

However, as I wrote in response to him, I was surprised to see his modern LED fitting producing less lumens/W than my cheap-and-nasty 'replacement tube' ... and, as also also said, think that 60 W of (any sort of) LED lighting sounds an awful lot for one 'normal' room?

 

[JohnW2]

I‘d be tempted to go with two pendants for ambient lighting and LED battens under the cupboards to light up the work tops in front of anyone standing there.

Thanks. Interesting ideas. However, the nature of the room (e.g. lots of doors and alcoves, some windows and ac chimney breast!) and of the property are not really conducive to a standard modern 'fitted kitchen', so I doubt there will many, if any, ;runs' of wall cabinets.

Obviously that’s a matter of personal taste.

Not quite in the conventional sense, since I'll never be living in it.

 

[securespark]

I have a garage a very similar size to your kitchen.

It has two 6 foot twin LEDs along most of the length, and a third across the width, just where the up and over door comes to when open. The garage is not painted, so I would say 2 x 6 foot twins would be fine.

The ones I have are Ansell Tornado Anti corrosives, but obviously you won't want those in the kitchen. Something like the second option rocky posted looks OK to me, though.

 

[JohnW2]

I will say that my negative comments about fluo replacement LEDs are eventually fading.

I've been telling you 'for years' that our experiences seem to have differed - in that, over the years, I've replaced ('length-for-length') many fluoros with LED tubes and have yet to have a case in which the LED was not at ;east 'adequate', and a good few cases in which they seemed (at least in terms of 'perception') to be brighter than the previous fluoros

How about a couple of 4 or 5ft singles instead?from the drop down list on FPs link.

As I said, that is the idea I have been toying with (and inviting comments about), with the two fittings 'in-line' down the middle of the ceiling.

Mind you, from "the list on flameport's link", even 2 x 4ft would be 44 W and 5,200 lumens, with 2 x 5ft ones being the same as his double (60 W and 7,200 lumens) - both an awful lot more than the 17 W / 2,300 lumens I have at present, which is more-or-less adequate.

 

[JohnW2]

I have a garage a very similar size to your kitchen. .... It has two 6 foot twin LEDs along most of the length, and a third across the width, just where the up and over door comes to when open. The garage is not painted, so I would say 2 x 6 foot twins would be fine. .... The ones I have are Ansell Tornado Anti corrosives, but obviously you won't want those in the kitchen. Something like the second option rocky posted looks OK to me, though.

[ I presume you mean Sunray? ]

Thanks - but two of those 6 ft twins would surely be way OTT, wouldn't it? They would add up to 130 W and 15,600 lumens, which sounds an awful lot for a room which is currently 'reasonably adequately illuminated' with 17 W and 2,300 lumens

My current thought is to go with two 4ft or 5ft singles - in-line down the middle. That would still be a fair bit in comparison with 17W/2,300 lumens (44 w, 5,200 lumens for 2 x 4ft, 60 W, 7,200 lumens for 2 x 5ft), but seemingly more sensible than two 6 ft ones?

 

[ebee]

In any event, I hate indoor PIR-controlled lights, which drive me mad

I can certinly appreciate that opinion - part monster part magic (as Anne Droid once described Robert Maxwell) - they can, in some circumstances be an advantage yet in other circumstances drive you completely around the bend.