Texecom R8+ - PA instead of Tamper?

[roberta1000]

I'm installing a Texecom R8+. Because it's a bungalow (ie lots of rooms at ground level) I want several movement detectors. Since I plan to use the EOL method is there any reason that I couldn't use the tamper circuit for a PA to free up another zone for a PIR? I realise that I could use latching PIRs but these seem fewer and more expensive.

Thanks, Bob

 

[RF Lighting]

The tamper circuit will only set off the internal sounder when the system is unset (ie most of the time)

Did you know that (if enabled) pressing 3&9 on the keypad at the same time is the same as pressing a panic button.

If you are going to be short of zones, then you might be better off instaling a premier 24. It is a bit more expensive (not horrendously), but well worth it IMO.

The premier series also supports triple end of line devices, which are about £5 per detector cheaper than standard PIRs, and also have an anti masking feature built in.

 

[breezer]

antimasking is a pain and not required in your average house so why make things harder than required?

although you cant use the zone for something else you can use the "spare" pair of cables to connect to a different zone.

so yes you can have 2 detectors each on their own zone, each with their own tamper on a 6 core cable.

2 power, 2 for detector 1, 2 for detector 2

 

[roberta1000]

The tamper circuit will only set off the internal sounder when the system is unset (ie most of the time)

Eh? Oh I see - you mean that it will set off the outside siren ONLY when it's armed (ie likely when you're not at home to press the PA!) Bummer but I suppose it makes sense.

If you are going to be short of zones, then you might be better off instaling a premier 24. It is a bit more expensive (not horrendously), but well worth it IMO.

The premier series also supports triple end of line devices, which are about £5 per detector cheaper than standard PIRs, and also have an anti masking feature built in.

Interesting info but I think I can manage with the zones - just not wanting to throw something away that might be handy as it were.

I don't think I'm bothered overmuch about antimasking. TBH even if the alarm goes off I doubt if the neighbours or police will bother but the insurance company gives a useful discount so .....

Thanks for the pointers.

 

[RF Lighting]

antimasking is a pain and not required in your average house so why make things harder than required?

How is it a pain?

It's not harder. Infact with texecom stuff it is easier than connecting a conventional 6 wire detector.

 

[dirkdangler]

another way you could keep your pa button , is to wire it into the bell sab. so when you press the pa it will ring outside only . won`t ring inside though. plus to stop the bell ringing you would just have to reset the panic button. you wouldn`t need to touch the keypad. just a idea for you

 

[breezer]

another way you could keep your pa button , is to wire it into the bell sab. so when you press the pa it will ring outside only . won`t ring inside though. plus to stop the bell ringing you would just have to reset the panic button. you wouldn`t need to touch the keypad. just a idea for you

no indication that PA is pressed, can't stop alarm via keypad, can't find PA reset key to stop alarm.

Thats not an idea, thats a bodge

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RF Lighting

sorry just noticed your reply

its a pain because it is not required, ar some time some one will put an object infront of an anti masking detector and wonder why the alarm has gone off.

You forget, you love Texcom, you understand how alarms generaly work, you like them.

Mr and Mrs average, dont do any of the above, so anti masking is one thing more to add to the list of grief causing.

"oh i didn't know i couldnt put that glass vase on the shelf, i can still see the detector................"

 

[dirkdangler]

wiring across the bell isn`t the best way i know this. but it has the same effect. infact there is a indication at the keypad. it would come up with a bell tamper. but like i say you still need a key to reset the pa. it will still sound outside/inside like a pa should. it was only a suggestion if he had no zones spare.

 

[seasickstevie]

dirkdangler wrote:
... it will still sound outside/inside like a pa should.


I presume you mean to break the hold-off to the SAB.
But that would only kick-in the SAB, not the internals.

However I like the idea, and in certain circumstances it could be of benefit, as long as the punter could remember the keypad wouldn't shut off the alarm.

Also some PA buttons don't need a key to reset, just press a second button at the side. (Don't think the High St Bank would accept these BTW!)

 

[breezer]

However I like the idea,

Its a bodge. END OF STORY

 

[roberta1000]

After a read of the manual it seems that you can set the tamper to trigger both inside and outside sounders on unset and part-set so this seems an option for the PA after all.

 

[breezer]

yes if you want a bodge it does.

suppose you get a tamper on something else wont it be nice to have the external sounder going when the alarm is not set.

you still wont know that its the Pa that has been pressed becuse it eill not indicate.

its a bodge

what part of bodge do you not understand?

 

[Europlex]

yes if you want a bodge it does.

suppose you get a tamper on something else wont it be nice to have the external sounder going when the alarm is not set.

you still wont know that its the Pa that has been pressed becuse it eill not indicate.

its a bodge

what part of bodge do you not understand?

Is there not a saying, 'the truth always hurts'?

I've never understood Q&A in Forums, nearly always if it's not the answer the questioner wants everyone else is wrong and they will do what they want to do, still I suppose it's their prerogative.

 

[roberta1000]

It's a long-standing tradition on this forum for self-elected experts to shout down everyone else because their ego needs continuous replenishment.

It's my alarm and my decision and it is information I was seeking, not instructions. Thanks for that RF.

Not knowing whether it's a PA or tamper isn't any different from not knowing which of many tampers might have tripped - the object after all is to summon aid. If you can't or won't help then why not just stay quiet and keep your neb out?