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So there I was at the weekend, re-routing the cable supplying the boiler FCU.

Turned off the MCB for the circuit, removed the cable, taped up the cpc - not going to catch me out with that touching N and tripping the RCD, no sir.

Touched the N to a water pipe.

:evil:
 
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So there I was at the weekend, re-routing the cable supplying the boiler FCU. Turned off the MCB for the circuit, removed the cable, taped up the cpc - not going to catch me out with that touching N and tripping the RCD, no sir. Touched the N to a water pipe. :evil:
We've all done it, in many cases more times than we would care to admit :) However, when we do admit it, I suppose that we may open ourself up to criticism for working on a circuit which was not 'properly isolated' - certainly in a TT installation, perhaps otherwise!

Kind Regards, John.
 
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JohnW2 is spot on we have all done it. Today it is more a a problem and I have many times walked the desks suggesting they "Log Off" before I start work. At least that way they can't say they weren't warned. Even then one gets "I've just lost 4 hours work" for some reason "More fool you. You were warned" does not go down well.

It is of course as already stated the HSE rule you should isolate else where and that includes neutral. How one is suppose to do that I don't know? Even if one draws the DNO fuse one has still not isolated the neutral.

So I am sure we will continue like we always have. But Shuss don't tell the DIY'ers
 
It is of course as already stated the HSE rule you should isolate else where and that includes neutral. How one is suppose to do that I don't know? Even if one draws the DNO fuse one has still not isolated the neutral.
In the absence of any explicit DP 'isolators', the main switch in a CU, or a DP RCD (and any CU ought to have at least one of those, if not both), would often provide a means of isolating both L&N, but usually only at the expense/inconvenience of de-engergising circuits in addition to the one on which one was working - so I'm not sure how often that will actually be done in the real world.

Kind Regards, John.
 
There is a problem if you want to isolate the tails to do a board change, though.

Some isolators on PME supplies are puposely only wired to isolate the line conductor only.

Agreed, on TT you should isolate both poles.
 
There is a problem if you want to isolate the tails to do a board change, though. Some isolators on PME supplies are puposely only wired to isolate the line conductor only.
Indeed - but I've never really understood the reason for that, particularly given that the installation's 'earth' take-off will obviously always be upstream of the isolator. Am I missing a good reason for not isolating the neutral?

Kind Regards, John.
 
Only certain DNO's do this - and I only realised this was the case when doing some work for a family member across the borders so to speak.

My DNO always fit DP isolators, and there is nothing to stop you fitting one yourself - indeed you do in your CU.

I think certain DNO's must have had issues with circulating network currents causing the switched neutral to rise in volts, so they do not switch their neutral - they don't stop you doing it though - it's your problem then!
 
My DNO always fit DP isolators, and there is nothing to stop you fitting one yourself - indeed you do in your CU. I think certain DNO's must have had issues with circulating network currents causing the switched neutral to rise in volts, so they do not switch their neutral -
I guess they must have their reason, but I don't really understand what you're suggesting. Once one has disconnected the installation's L, there won't be any current flowing in the installation's N (even if, upstream of the meter, some current is flowing from supply N via bonding to earth), so I can't see how disconnecting the N could then possibly cause any voltage change, anywhere!

Kind Regards, John.
 
Don't worry. I nipped a supply neutral while screwing back an FCU today. So annoying. First time I've nipped a wire in years :evil:
 
Yup, always tape up the neutral, thats the one thats gonna cause you grief, not the CPC!! Hope your washing machine wasn't mid cycle!
 

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