Me too.
Dangerous fitting or dangerous bulbs?
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For what its worth, an issue Ive come across before with these, is lamps of too high a wattage being used. A fitting had ‘max 20 (or 25??) watt’ on a crispy label but end users were using something like 50 or 60 watt lamps. The crumbling lamp holder and wiring were very nicely cooked when I had a look. Also, it wasn’t easily and safely replaceable so new fitting required.
Fair enough - but does that mean that you didn't intend to write quite what you did?
Kind Regards, John
I was trying to use terminology the OP would understand, instead of the correct terminology, as should have been clear from my earlier post.
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Well, as you will know from what I wrote previously, I very much sympathise with that approach. However, what you wrote was:
I think I must have misunderstood, because you appeared to be saying that you would disagree that the capsules were good quality if they were not enclosed in a luminaire!
Kind Regards, John
Yes, I think you did.
The OP used the old term 'lamps' to mean the luminaires, which he said were good quality. My point was that if the G9 capsules were not enclosed by the luminaires then the luminaires were not of good quality.
Is that better?
So he did
- and I (and BAS) have no excuse for not remembering that, because it was that very 'total confusion' in this thread which I blamed on the new-fangled usage of the word "lamp"!Very few members of the general public would use the word "luminaire", and I continue to put bulbs into my "table lamps" and "standard lamps" (and don't recall many people calling them "table lights", "table luminaires", "standard lights" or "standard luminaires"!)
Kind Regards, John
I agree, which is why I didn't use it in my first comment.
I wasn't going to reply to this but subsequent posts have seemed to contradict.
After all, if you take out the lamp part, then they are not table/standard lamps, but a headlight would still be a headlight.
Lamp post is not the same, is it? (the equivalent would be post lamp) It is a post with a lamp at the top - whether or not this lamp is enclosed in another assembly. It presumably comes from a post with a gas lamp atop.
Anyway, a gate post is not a gate, is it?
As you agreed with me, I think you must have misunderstood.
If you agree that a headlight contains a lamp then table/standard lamp cannot be a correct term even if that's what people call them.
After all, if you take out the lamp part, then they are not table/standard lamps, but a headlight would still be a headlight.
Lamp post is not the same, is it? (the equivalent would be post lamp) It is a post with a lamp at the top - whether or not this lamp is enclosed in another assembly. It presumably comes from a post with a gas lamp atop.
Anyway, a gate post is not a gate, is it?
I'm not sure.
As you agreed with me, I think you must have misunderstood.
I don't but I cannot do anything about those which occurred a long time ago.
They do - but they also do it for any lamp whether bulbous or not - so that's not a good reason, is it?
They could call them lamps. Is that going back or a totally new experience.
Indeed it was.
Just like it was yours:
Unless you would like to tell us that you are using this topic as your try-out for the UK Olympic Wriggling team, there is no way that the "they" in "I disagree that they are good quality" can not have been referring to the G9 capsules.
Remembering anything is not required.So he did
Just look at the grammar of his statement.
Having made the same 'mistake' myself (and confessing, not wriggling!), whilst you are probably right about the grammar of stillp's statement if it were taken out of context, the reality is that it is very clear (once one realises!) that it was the fitting/luminaire/whatever which was being said to be of "good quality" in the post to which he was responding - so, in contect, his "they" could not sensibly refer to the capsules.
Kind Regards, John
As I conceded, headlamp/headlight seems out on a limb, since both words seems to have been in use 'for ever'
Of course they are. I'm sure that I could go out and buy any number of table lamps and standard lamps which were sold without a bulb in them.
I'm not so sure about this "long time ago". I think this attempt to rename 'light bulbs' is relatively new (maybe 20-30 years?).
But they always have, haven't they? Plenty of the 'light bulbs' around in my youth were far from being bulbous, but no-one dreamed (or is it dreamt?!) of calling them anything other than light bulbs. There are many examples of words which we have carried on using despite the fact that he historical derivation of them has become 'incorrect' in terms of the modern manifestation of the item.
If it were really felt sufficiently important to change "light bulb" to something else, then they should surely have come up with some new word, not substituting a word that already existed and meant (and continued to mean) something else? In any event, as I've said, the general population seem to be largely ignoring this ' change', so I'm not sure what it is meant to have achieved!
Kind Regards, John
I didn't mean just remove the 'bulb'.
I don't think it is that important.
It was you complaining about the confusion. I was trying to explain a reason why it may have happened - from oil lamp.
In that case, I don't understand what you did mean.
In terms of the point I was making, I think it is very important. I was talking about the confusion, at least in some people's minds, that arose in this thread, because the OP used the 'original' (electrical) meaning of "lamp" (and bulb) - and that has nothing to do with the reason why the word (light) "bulb" arose decades earlier.
Kind Regards, John
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