Heat pumps........yeah right !

diy_fun_uk · 21 Oct 2021

I'm not saying there don't have to be changes to the way we consume energy and indeed the type of energy used. But this has f**k up written all over it. We'll be forced to change to something like heat pumps, at great expense, then x years later it'll be discovered they're not doing what they said on the tin. There'll then be an 'independent' inquiry, part of which will involve speaking to those that have made millions out of the initiative. Ultimately no one will be found to blame and millions of home owners will be left with heating systems that cost more to run/maintain and provide less heat than current solutions.

There'll then be another solution touted, and the whole process will start again ...

sxturbo · 21 Oct 2021

diy_fun_uk said:
I'm not saying there don't have to be changes to the way we consume energy and indeed the type of energy used. But this has f**k up written all over it. We'll be forced to change to something like heat pumps, at great expense, then x years later it'll be discovered they're not doing what they said on the tin. There'll then be an 'independent' inquiry, part of which will involve speaking to those that have made millions out of the initiative. Ultimately no one will be found to blame and millions of home owners will be left with heating systems that cost more to run/maintain and provide less heat than current solutions.

There'll then be another solution touted, and the whole process will start again ...

yes agreed there needs to be a fundamental shift in life as we know it, and a well thought out plan to achieve that... this is not what is happening.

consumers need to change their behaviour, reduce globalisation this will be the best way, un-needed purchasing i mean do we really need the latest iphone or equivalent every year? etc etc

Consuming of meat seems to be taking a hammering lately, probably the vegans trying to push this agenda, i'm pretty sure there is other more polluting sectors we can take aim at. Farming is pretty natural, and done right can be sustainable with relatively low emissions.

but at the end of the day globalisation and consumerism is ultimately to blame for the climate crisis, it is not because of the number of cows we herd

diy_fun_uk · 21 Oct 2021

sxturbo said:
yes agreed there needs to be a fundamental shift in life as we know it, and a well thought out plan to achieve that... this is not what is happening.

consumers need to change their behaviour, reduce globalisation this will be the best way, un-needed purchasing i mean do we really need the latest iphone or equivalent every year? etc etc

Consuming of meat seems to be taking a hammering lately, probably the vegans trying to push this agenda, i'm pretty sure there is other more polluting sectors we can take aim at. Farming is pretty natural, and done right can be sustainable with relatively low emissions.

but at the end of the day globalisation and consumerism is ultimately to blame for the climate crisis, it is not because of the number of cows we herd

Part of the capitalist consumerist model, which I'm not completely against, however in its entirety it's not working.

I think part of the model suggested wealth would trickle down ... aye right!

ReganAndCarter · 21 Oct 2021

sxturbo said:
reduce globalisation this will be the best way,

Bozza, our new green saviour, is constantly crowing about his attempted deal with the Aussies to drag vast amounts of low welfare beef to The UK, and part of the deal is to ignore the Paris Climate Agreement into the bargain. While we also cull pigs, etc here. Wonder how this sits with his shiny new green credentials?

jeds · 21 Oct 2021

Passenger4 said:
If heat pumps use the heat in air, how on earth will they heat a house when the outside temp is 5 or -5???

Don't use the Celsius scale. True temperature is measured on the Kelvin Scale. (0° K is equivalent to -273.15 C) Everything above zero kelvin is warm. -5° Celsius is +265 Kelvin. So really warm.

diy_fun_uk · 21 Oct 2021

I wonder if noise will be a potential issue? A quick Google tells me average noise of a modern combi is 40-60dB. Apparently air source heat pumps generate similar levels of noise. However, whereas many homes have their boilers located inside (so the only one that hears it is you), the air source heat pump requires the unit to be external to the property, thus heard by others in the immediate area. In more densely populated areas, that'll mean a lot of these things whirring away at the same time. I suppose with double glazing there might not be much of an issue, however if any of your neighbours are happy to leave a unit running that's maybe in need of a service and a bit noisier than usual it might be frustrating, especially if they leave their heating on 24/7.

cwhaley · 21 Oct 2021

Passenger4 said:
Insulating a house is very counterproductive. Your house will be a sauna in the summer months!!

Is that really true?

I live in a solid brick house. It used to get uncomfortably hot in the summer nights if we'd had a hot day, that is until I learnt to keep the windows/blinds/curtains all bolted shut during the day, only opening them around 19:30 when the air was cooler. By bed time, there was a lovely cool breeze flowing through upstairs.

This approach was adopted by a friend (who lives in a 2019-built new build) and theirs' is even cooler in the evenings. The extra insulation they have helps keep out the heat during the day.

EDIT -- just noticed others had questioned it too.

wobs · 21 Oct 2021

sxturbo said:
yes agreed there needs to be a fundamental shift in life as we know it, and a well thought out plan to achieve that... this is not what is happening.

consumers need to change their behaviour, reduce globalisation this will be the best way, un-needed purchasing i mean do we really need the latest iphone or equivalent every year? etc etc

Consuming of meat seems to be taking a hammering lately, probably the vegans trying to push this agenda, i'm pretty sure there is other more polluting sectors we can take aim at. Farming is pretty natural, and done right can be sustainable with relatively low emissions.

but at the end of the day globalisation and consumerism is ultimately to blame for the climate crisis, it is not because of the number of cows we herd

Well fast fashoin is a major issue, that people can do something about themselves. But many of these issues are affected little by personal action (even if more people did them), given that the bulk of the emission come from small number of companies. If you look back at last year, when the world's economy effectivley shut down, and cars came off the roads, CO2 emission hardly went down.

The system needs to change, and fast. The way we produce and use energy needs to change. The way we measure our economy, the idea of constant growth needs to stop.

Consumerism is indeed a major factor. Its drives much of what is emitted, but we consumers can do little to change that. We can (and should) consume less, but know it won't solve the problem without the system changing. Which is why COP26 is so important.

Until we stop making steel with coke, using so much concrete, building so many roads, driving ICE for transport (including ships), putting stuff in landfills, little will change.

wobs · 21 Oct 2021

One of the best YT vids on tackling climate change I've seen:

You need to watch to the end.

ReganAndCarter · 21 Oct 2021

wobs said:
The way we measure our economy, the idea of constant growth needs to stop.

I've always said that this is the absurd paradox of our times. We live in a consumer culture, we're encouraged to consume - we are consumers. But then we're told to consume less. When this happens, it's panic stations because of the negative effect on growth and the economy.

I just ignore most of it. All a loads of balls!

transam · 21 Oct 2021

all this caper will pall into insignificance

there will be some massive war / conflict that the west will get dragged into or start ?

than it will be curtains any way ?

sxturbo · 21 Oct 2021

wobs said:
Well fast fashoin is a major issue, that people can do something about themselves. But many of these issues are affected little by personal action (even if more people did them), given that the bulk of the emission come from small number of companies. If you look back at last year, when the world's economy effectivley shut down, and cars came off the roads, CO2 emission hardly went down.

The system needs to change, and fast. The way we produce and use energy needs to change. The way we measure our economy, the idea of constant growth needs to stop.

Consumerism is indeed a major factor. Its drives much of what is emitted, but we consumers can do little to change that. We can (and should) cosnue less, but know it won't solve the problem without the system changing. Which is why COP26 is so important.

Until we stop making steel with coke, using so much concrete, building so many roads, driving ICE for transport (including ships), putting stuff in landfills, little will change.

Instead they want to stop is from eating meat, want us to live in cold damp homes while also paying more for it all, so our lives get worse and it costs us more to do so.

They need to clamp down on the shipping industry the most, but almost no one mentions this in mainstream media, instead it's all about taxing the average working class man beyond breaking point..

This is interesting reading,

https://medium.com/@victoria27/here...tainers-and-freight-trucks-cause-b358cb034c70

noseall · 21 Oct 2021

ReganAndCarter said:
And seemingly rational people on here still take him seriously.

Nonsense.

He will be remembered as a gimmick - a Brexit gimmick.

fillyboy · 21 Oct 2021

ReganAndCarter said:
Bozza, our new green saviour, is constantly crowing about his attempted deal with the Aussies to drag vast amounts of low welfare beef to The UK, and part of the deal is to ignore the Paris Climate Agreement into the bargain. While we also cull pigs, etc here. Wonder how this sits with his shiny new green credentials?

If you ask anyone what's the best beef you can buy in the UK most people will say 'wagyu', any idea where we buy most of that from that from?, I'll give you a clue, it aint Japan.

transam · 21 Oct 2021

noseall said:
Nonsense.

He will be remembered as a gimmick - a Brexit gimmick.

nonsense noseall

Johnson will go down in history as the finest PM we have ever had

trump will make a come back

Johnson and trump on the world stage

what a team hmmm

Heat pumps........yeah right !

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