Speeding error

motorbiking · 2025-12-17T15:21:46+0000

carmanmemoranda said:
Is not necessarily the same as a set speed limit.

You have a very entitled view

The speed limit is a limit, it is not a target. You should always set your speed according the conditions irrespective of the limit.

Sounds like you and nosenout, have never taken any further training since you took your tests? I'm not surprised Nosenout hasn't, but given your passion for motor racing, I'd have thought you'd have been interested to further your skills.

carmanmemoranda said:
Any speed he feels is safe

Limits are for the plebs

something you made up, of course.

morqthana · 2025-12-17T15:25:49+0000

motorbiking said:
Just yesterday I was travelling on a "30mph" limit according to the entry signs and the digital display on the car. Unfortunately, there were no repeaters nor a system of streetlights spaced less than 183m apart, hence the actual enforceable limit was 60mph. There are many of these in rural villages etc.

How to tell the speed limit using streetlights

A road will usually have speed limit signs telling you what the maximum speed is, but there's no legal requirement for a restricted road. Here's how you tell the limit using street lighting

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And repeater signs are just reminders. Even if they are required but missing, the speed limit is still governed by the gateway sign you passed.

carmanmemoranda · 2025-12-17T15:33:16+0000

motorbiking said:
The speed limit is a limit, it is not a target. You should always set your speed according the conditions irrespective of the limit.

Hence it shouldn't EVER be necessary to measure the distance of lampposts

motorbiking said:
Sounds like you and nosenout, have never taken any further training since you took your tests? I'm not surprised Nosenout hasn't, but given your passion for motor racing, I'd have thought you'd have been interested to further your skills.

You know this do you

motorbiking said:
something you made up, of course.

No. Just your comments

morqthana · 2025-12-17T16:14:21+0000

fixitflav said:
Plenty of drivers won't use the nearside lane when there's no traffic in it for as far as they can see.

And plenty of drivers who get criticised for not moving left by people who don't have a clue about safe distancing.

motorbiking · 2025-12-17T16:20:05+0000

Nobody needs to google the rules or read a blog, doing its best to explain them, they are quite clear in the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984:

A restricted road is defined by its street lamps, an "other" road is defined by the lack of street lights. All Other roads must be properly signed. A person cannot be convicted for exceeding the posted limit in a restricted road if it does not comply with the definition of restricted road.

Sec 81 - 85

Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984

An Act to consolidate the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967 and certain related enactments, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission.

www.legislation.gov.uk

carmanmemoranda · 2025-12-17T16:31:37+0000

motorbiking said:
Nobody needs to google the rules or read a blog, doing its best to explain them, they are quite clear in the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984:

A restricted road is defined by its street lamps, an "other" road is defined by the lack of street lights. All Other roads must be properly signed. A person cannot be convicted for exceeding the posted limit in a restricted road if it does not comply with the definition of restricted road.

Sec 81 - 85

Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984

An Act to consolidate the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1967 and certain related enactments, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission and the Scottish Law Commission.

www.legislation.gov.uk

But you can't see your entitlement

motorbiking · 2025-12-17T16:35:48+0000

carmanmemoranda said:
But you can't see your entitlement

because its in your head.

noseall · 2025-12-17T16:44:27+0000

motorbiking said:
The speed limit is a limit, it is not a target. You should always set your speed according the conditions irrespective of the limit.

Sounds like you and nosenout, have never taken any further training since you took your tests? I'm not surprised Nosenout hasn't, but given your passion for motor racing, I'd have thought you'd have been interested to further your skills.

something you made up, of course.

Would you for instance travel a 60 mph in a semi-built up area, if you didn't know the speed limit?

motorbiking · 2025-12-17T16:49:53+0000

noseall said:
Would you for instance travel a 60 mph in a semi-built up area, if you didn't know the speed limit?

I always know the speed limit.

Do you mean if I found a rare road still with an NSL, despite being semi built up?

carmanmemoranda · 2025-12-17T17:18:08+0000

motorbiking said:
The laws on speed limit signs are very well defined, but frequently not complied with by those putting them up. Its the same for yellow box junctions.

Just yesterday I was travelling on a "30mph" limit according to the entry signs and the digital display on the car. Unfortunately, there were no repeaters nor a system of streetlights spaced less than 183m apart, hence the actual enforceable limit was 60mph. There are many of these in rural villages etc.

So how did you know the exact spacing distance to determine this ?

aveatry · 2025-12-17T17:29:00+0000

fixitflav said:
Was the left lane only for leaving the M-way? Plenty of drivers won't use the nearside lane when there's no traffic in it for as far as they can see.

Yes it was just for those leaving. - If that had been the case then I have no doubt the lorry driver would have under took me.

noseall · 2025-12-17T17:36:13+0000

One of my biggest motorway driving bug bears, is re-joining the middle lane, having used the outside lane for overtaking, only to find a parallel vehicle wanting to occupy the same space, but overtaking and exiting the nearside lane - whilst I'm in the van on my own. You have to plan way ahead because your side mirrors aren't always able to capture what you need to see in your blind spots.

morqthana · 2025-12-17T18:57:26+0000

motorbiking said:
A restricted road is defined by its street lamps, an "other" road is defined by the lack of street lights. All Other roads must be properly signed. A person cannot be convicted for exceeding the posted limit in a restricted road if it does not comply with the definition of restricted road.

1) What does the law mandate regarding spacing of repeater signs on non-restricted roads subject to a 30mph speed limit?

2) Re this particular road, do you know for certain that the relevant authority has not designated it as restricted even though it is unlit?

morqthana · 2025-12-17T18:58:16+0000

aveatry said:
under took

Not a proper term.

morqthana · 2025-12-17T19:00:16+0000

motorbiking said:
I always know the speed limit.

Sure?

motorbiking said:
Just yesterday I was travelling on a "30mph" limit according to the entry signs and the digital display on the car. Unfortunately, there were no repeaters nor a system of streetlights spaced less than 183m apart, hence the actual enforceable limit was 60mph.

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