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“Metal cladding always burns and falls off,”

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Djangobanjo, 28 Jan 2020.

  1. Djangobanjo

    Djangobanjo

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    Grenfell:

    The architect, builders and fire engineer who worked on the disastrous Grenfell Tower refurbishment knew the cladding system would fail in the event of a fire more than two years before 72 people were killed, according to emails revealed at the public inquiry on Tuesday.

    Staff at architects Studio E, the fire engineer Exova, the facade installer Harley, and Rydon, the main contractor, discussed how the cladding system they were planning to wrap around the 120-home apartment block was likely to fail in the event of a fire.

    “Metal cladding always burns and falls off,” an architect emailed a fire engineer in spring 2015. An employee of the facade installer told a colleague: “As we all know, the ACM [the combustible cladding panels] will be gone rather quickly in a fire!”

    The shocking correspondence during the refurbishment works was disclosed to the inquiry by Craig Orr QC, counsel for Celotex, the manufacturer of the combustible insulation used on the building. It came during the second day of phase two of the Grenfell Tower public inquiry, which is examining events leading up to the disaster.

    In front of bereaved and survivors, including Nicholas Burton, who lost his wife, Pily, and Antonio Roncalato, who was not rescued until 6am, the inquiry also heard how, in 2014, the combustible cladding panels made by Arconic, which contained a flammable polyethylene core, were chosen as part of an attempt to cut £454,000 from the budget by the Kensington and Chelsea Tenants’ Management organisation.
    Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...bishers-knew-cladding-would-fail-inquiry-told
     
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    I thought that the "opening" remarks, plus others as shown on the BBC was so, so typical of the Building Industries knee jerk reaction to adverse comments, blame someone else?

    Just hope that the inquiry digs and digs and digs.

    Who knows at the end of this [in several years time?] we may end up with a safe system of specifying rather than the what appears to be a wishy washy hotch potch of fudges all aimed at selling stuff??

    I hears that there is a "class action" in the USA against the manufacturers of the cladding and some of its components, I may have mis-heard but i think such cladding was banned in the USA, but still punted overseas for others to use.

    We need a completely Holistic, end to end, up, down full way of checking what is safe and what is not as regards fire safety and security.
     
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    Why bother. I can tell you the reason now - money.
     
  5. Djangobanjo

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    People involved want immunity from prosecution before giving evidence. Errrr, I don't think so!
     
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    I've always thought that we should have legally enforceable rules for housing safety. We could call them "House Making Rules" or something similar.

    We could have a Government Minister with the duty and responsibility for issuing the rules and ensuring they were enforced. We could call him "Minister for Homes"

    If people became aware of a common cause of multiple deaths, that should have been avoidable, they could inform this Minister and he would have the duty to alter the rules to prevent a recurrence. If he failed to do his duty and more deaths resulted, he could be publicly shamed, and perhaps prosecuted.

    Why has nobody ever thought of that?
     
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    We need less regulation, let the market decide. If companies put up cheap cladding and people die then its a market signal that people will not want to live in death traps.

    But information is not free so these people who need to make a decision on what type of cladding is safe need to pay for that data. If the data is valuable its price will go up and the providers of poor cladding will go bust.

    Perfect.
     
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    What? Did i misread that? What market? Wembley market? "get yer claddin ten paand a paand" :LOL:
     
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    Pfttt 20 paand a paand.

    Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler
     
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    Some of these flats are privately owned

    Some residents will. Lose there homes and be bankrupted over the caper

    One woman on the radio is having to fork out 400 a month for a fire Marshall patrolling the building same go's for all the other owner residents

    Apparently there is some government fund they can claim on

    Typical. Government caper its virtually impossible to claim on it due to red tape and all the other ball cocks
     
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    Better to get your info direct from the grenfell inquest site direct, rather than third hand from the third rate left wing rags.

    You might learn something.
     
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    Same discussion elsewhere.
    Is this better?
    https://www.theconstructionindex.co...-told-grenfell-firms-knew-cladding-would-burn

    This was missed by the leftie commie liberal we luv corbyn snowflake rag

    In an internal email on 31 March 2015 to Mr Ashton, Mr Pearson (also of Exova) expressed the same point in the following terms: "if significant flames are ejected from the windows, this would lead to failure of the cladding system, with the external surface falling away and exposing the cavity, eliminating the potential for unseen fire spread."
     
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    Celotex is owned by Saint-Gobain (French group) and was before Grenfell was re-cladded.
     
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