125,000,000

[transam]

Is the amount of electric cars that could be in use world wide by 2030

All. Using lithuem battery's

Were is all this lithuem mineral going to. Come from to make / power the baterys

The next environmental catastrophe is on the horizon

Amazon basin is said to be rich in the material

Indigenous peoples in Argentina are already protesting about exploratory mining and drilling on there lands

Talk about deep. Sea mining

Go electric and save the planet, mind u any mining will probably be in 3rd world countries

 

[motorbiking]

There is less than 2.5kg in a long range Tesla. cobalt is the issue not lithium.

 

[transam]

There is less than 2.5kg in a long range Tesla.

Point being??

If the entire UK went to. Electric cars we would need the entire world's supply of lithuem for the next 3 years at present extraction rates

 

[motorbiking]

Probably got the wrong maths there... if 100% of new cars were electric in the U.K. that would still be less than the world’s annual production. Given a car last about 10 years. It would take at least that long for all cars to be lithium based. That’s not taking in to account most EVs have a lot less than 4000 cells.

 

[JohnD]

at present extraction rates

You don't know how mining and prospecting work, do you?

When available supply meets current demand, nobody goes prospecting for more, or starting new mines.

When forecast demand exceeds proven reserves, prospectors go looking.

When demand exceeds supply and prices are expected to rise, new mines are dug, and old ones reopened.

This, incidentally, is also why ignorant people say "we've only got 20 years of oil in the ground!"

If you've got 20 years of proven reserves, you don't go looking for more.

It's also why inefficient, costly gold mines get reopened when the price goes up.

if you have a mine, and it costs $1,400 an ounce to get it out of the ground and refine it, for the past six years you'd have left it there. Today, you dig it out and make a handsome profit.

 

[fillyboy]

There's shed loads of lithium in Cornwall.

 

[charliegolf]

There's shed loads of lithium in Cornwall.

Maybe so. But you CANNOT go taking away peoples' depression tablets to make batteries!

 

[EddieM]

odd in some respects as element no 3 you'd be forgiven for thinking it was quite abundant.

 

[transam]

You don't know how mining and prospecting work, do you?

When available supply meets current demand, nobody goes prospecting for more, or starting new mines.

When forecast demand exceeds proven reserves, prospectors go looking.

When demand exceeds supply and prices are expected to rise, new mines are dug, and old ones reopened.

This, incidentally, is also why ignorant people say "we've only got 20 years of oil in the ground!"

If you've got 20 years of proven reserves, you don't go looking for more.

It's also why inefficient, costly gold mines get reopened when the price goes up.

if you have a mine, and it costs $1,400 an ounce to get it out of the ground and refine it, for the past six years you'd have left it there. Today, you dig it out and make a handsome profit.

Of course I know how mining works

Drill a hole
Dig a hole Or open. Cast mines

 

[martin hill]

Petrol V.s Battery. Be nice to see the figures regarding the carbon footprint and enviromental impact to compare the two starting from discovery to end product. Then the impact of using them for say 100.000 miles of travel. From the info avaible i'd be going with Petrol for being friendliar. Eletric cars are always shown as having no pollution coming from the car. But do you know where the electricity will come from bepending where you are in the country. It not all going to be bio-mass and nuclear power plants. Then you have the impact of having to make all the new style service stations to cope with the shorter journey capabilities of electric cars. Battery tech is nowhere near the levels we need to convert. Lets then more on to haulage etc. The tech is not there for delivery vehicles yet either. Lets say a courier can now driver a certain distance in a working day up and down the motorway. That time will be extended so then the price will go up for that delivery.

Another point is that we will be held to ransom if laws are passed regarding electric cars. It be the man in the street that can't afford to drive. No real plan has been put into place to combat issues with the resources we have already.

Still 1000's of trains running on diesel.
Poor public transport links and shocking prices to use it.
Poor quality heating products still being sold.
Poor quality houses still being built.
Another problem is the corporate big wigs and companies with MP's etc in their pockets holding back on current progress so they can make more money.

 

[durhamplumber]

odd in some respects as element no 3 you'd be forgiven for thinking it was quite abundant.

3 in the periodic table(atomic mass) not connected to abundance

 

[EddieM]

3 in the periodic table(atomic mass) not connected to abundance

Atomic number, its atomic mass is 7

 

[Gasguru]

IO wouldn't worry about the lithium it's all the other precious minerals that go into the electronics that are in short supply.
AFAIR the metal used in touch screens is down to 10 years supply....

 

[Brigade77]

So basically then we're fubar'd aren't we?

The meedya's opinion on the future of transportation is gospel & therefore if the natural resources simply aren't available to fullfll there vision of the future then there vision of the future is a cause for serious concern . . .

Or am I missing something . . . .

 

[durhamplumber]

Atomic number, its atomic mass is 7

Indeed .nothing to do with abundancy