30 votes to 18

[Notch7]

The Labour party is left of centre, as is the Liberal party.

I think Blairite is exactly what you are talking about.

That implies to me:

-you believe, like Corbynistas that only the hard left belong in the Labour party. The Labour party used be thought of as a 'broad church'. Not any more apparently.

-you believe that anybody in the Labour party that is considered a moderate, must be a Blairite.

I believe that is a short sighted ideological view not a pragmatic view.

 

[JohnD]

That implies to me

the inference is your own.

 

[Notch7]

the inference is your own.

ELFI suggests the portion of the electorate that would vote for a moderate left leaning party should vote for the SDP.

Do you think that if the Labour party alienate both moderate MPs and moderate electorate they will be left with a big enough party or a big enough vote to win an election?

Do you think the Labour party should not be a broad church, but one that only represents the hard left? -deselections seem to be taking it that way.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Do you think that if the Labour party alienate both moderate MPs and moderate electorate they will be left with a big enough party or a big enough vote to win an election?

If they are not, then that's how it will be.

What if they do that and then win?

Do you think the Labour party should not be a broad church, but one that only represents the hard left? -deselections seem to be taking it that way.

Depends how broad I suppose.
The complete political spectrum from communist to fascist - No.
Perhaps they should all be socialist.

Do you think they should 'do a Blair' and do and say anything and alter their principles just to gain votes?

What is the point of having three parties all occupying the same centre ground and being just slight variations of each other?

Do you then vote for the nicest looking candidate?

 

[JohnD]

The Labour party is left of centre

notch read this, and in his head he creates an extremist mob.

His own head created that.

Poor hallucinating notch.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I don't really know what he is getting at.

He would vote Labour if only they would do what he wants but as they don't seem to be doing that he probably won't.

Instead he just complains that they aren't doing what he wants so that he would vote for them.


Perhaps there are other people who will vote for them because they are doing what they are.

 

[JohnD]

should vote for the SDP.

Do us a tremendous favour. Look up the most recent SDP manifesto you can find, and tell us what you think of its key policies.

 

[transam]

Most Politicians (all ?) are B*** ends , the only time they give a wat sit about democracy is when they have to come around yer house cap in hand to get you to vote for em

Any one who joins a political party is a B*** end imho .

Many many years ago I was going to join one but that was in my B*** end days

 

[Notch7]

Do you think they should 'do a Blair' and do and say anything and alter their principles just to gain votes?

I think there are Labour MPs that have principles but are moderates.

Its possible to be moderate labour without being a Blairite

Chuka Umunna wrote:

New Labour left the country a much better place to live in. Even David Cameron accepted this. Three Labour governments was an extraordinary achievement and down to the hard work and commitment of thousands of party members. But its success was limited by the failure of Third Way politics to challenge the power of capital. New Labour failed to challenge sufficiently the neo-liberal market order of Margaret Thatcher. It did not do enough to reform Britain’s economic model to deliver better outcomes for people in all parts of the country. It failed to rebalance an economy over-reliant on the financial services sector in the South. It did not take the action required to dampen bubbles in the property market, nor to redress the lack of savings, nor to act against the rise in household debt.

Full essay here:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/chuka-umunna-labour-alternative

many would consider Chuka Umunna to not represent Corbyns socialist vision and therefore a Blairite.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Is he therefore saying that the Blair Governments were not socialist enough?

 

[vinty]

I think there are Labour MPs that have principles but are moderates.

Its possible to be moderate labour without being a Blairite

Chuka Umunna wrote:

New Labour left the country a much better place to live in. Even David Cameron accepted this. Three Labour governments was an extraordinary achievement and down to the hard work and commitment of thousands of party members. But its success was limited by the failure of Third Way politics to challenge the power of capital. New Labour failed to challenge sufficiently the neo-liberal market order of Margaret Thatcher. It did not do enough to reform Britain’s economic model to deliver better outcomes for people in all parts of the country. It failed to rebalance an economy over-reliant on the financial services sector in the South. It did not take the action required to dampen bubbles in the property market, nor to redress the lack of savings, nor to act against the rise in household debt.

Full essay here:
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/03/chuka-umunna-labour-alternative

many would consider Chuka Umunna to not represent Corbyns socialist vision and therefore a Blairite.

Tony Blair like Adolf Hitler may have did some good things domestically but people only remember his foreign policy.
Chuka Umunna was once touted as the British Obama but his association with Blair make his politics out of date.