5 a Side Player Electrocuted

[SUNRAY]

At the moment I have no idea what fault occurred in this topic, I've read 'Worn cable' and 'Temporary fence' amongst the conflicting reports but I don't see any credible details, for all I know the temporary fence may be part of temporary works with a dangerous extension lead wrapped around it, I mention that as it is a situation I have found myself and struggled to get the venues owners involved to sort out as it fed the permanently sited but temporary muck truck which was the highest earner on the site.

EDIT: Apologies for the redactions but it's not fair to reveal the location I've highlighted with pink the route of the rotted flex.

 

[SUNRAY]

It continued further to the left

and further left to a socket

To put this into perspective this is a sporting venue which gets rented for various sports events, often with crowds of hundreds.

The description of temporary by them seemed to make it OK until someone did listen and got it removed.

 

[ericmark]

One problem with many places I have worked, is the way people report problems, they seem to refuse to follow procedure and submit a written report, but tell someone in a general conversation, then claimed they have reported it. I have had a garbled message over a radio, of a problem in building D, gone to the building, asked the supervisor what was wrong, and they haven't a clue what the problem is, or who tried to report it.

I have where I volunteer found sockets which at some time likely were used to feed some project which has since failed, we did have a catering unit, not used now, but would think sockets were fitted for it, and at some point, someone will come up with something which needs power, and it will be used again. And unlikely they will ask the guy doing the electrical work if that socket complies with current regulations. He is quite good at catching these ideas before any danger happens, but he is also a volunteer, and is not around 24/7, so unless people send a written request in, then easy for things to be missed.

 

[JohnW2]

Yes of course problems and faults can and do occur. However, due to the potential complexity of control systems and the power levels involved, there is potential for hazardous situations, therefore the installations are usually completed and maintained to a higher standard than other electrical work, to keep hazards low and maintain efficient opperation.

That "usually" is probably correct, but .......

(do you ever see the TV programme titled "the world's worst engineering disasters" {or something like that}, which usually relate to projects of massive size and complexity ? )

 

[SUNRAY]

One problem with many places I have worked, is the way people report problems, they seem to refuse to follow procedure and submit a written report, but tell someone in a general conversation, then claimed they have reported it. I have had a garbled message over a radio, of a problem in building D, gone to the building, asked the supervisor what was wrong, and they haven't a clue what the problem is, or who tried to report it.

I have where I volunteer found sockets which at some time likely were used to feed some project which has since failed, we did have a catering unit, not used now, but would think sockets were fitted for it, and at some point, someone will come up with something which needs power, and it will be used again. And unlikely they will ask the guy doing the electrical work if that socket complies with current regulations. He is quite good at catching these ideas before any danger happens, but he is also a volunteer, and is not around 24/7, so unless people send a written request in, then easy for things to be missed.

The big problem I had with this one was trying to find someone with any responsibility, the groundsman was the only real person on site, he was the one said about the monetary value of the muck truck.

I filled in the form on the on-line booking system to get to someone official involved.

 

[ebee]

A number of people seemto be so "sure they reported something" whenin reality they merely metioned it in passing tosomeone at some time and hoped that the person they told would take it further up the food chain, then they think "not my problem as I have done my bit by reporting it" another stance might be "It is not my place to say something" .
"It`s not up to me" ideology seems to stem from the feeling that the person having "more precedence than me" knows about it so the not up to me feeling pops in when you ask why nobody questioned/reported it.
In their minds they seem to throw rules down about order of priorinty for liabillity of any conscience.

Strange things the human beings aren`t they?

Then you get the "It is only an electric shock, don`t be so soft! I`ve had loads of them!"

 

[ericmark]

I know when it was down to me, I ensured there were forms to report defects, and tool box talks about filling in the forms followed by a questionnaire to ensure it was understood.

Living where not every one speaks English, the questionnaire ensures I don't get, I am a Welsh speaker, I did not understand what you mean, or Polish etc. It was a watch my back exercise, I did not care if the questionnaire was filled in while I was speaking, I still had proof they had been told and understood what I told them.

Did have it where someone was clearly trying to get me into trouble, and approached the HSE inspector to tell him about a problem, I asked who the report form had been given to, and the answer was non had been filled in, where the HSE inspector told him in no uncertain terms he could end up in court for not reporting the fault.

If ones sees an oil spill, and decides nothing to do with me, you have to be careful not to admit you have seen it.

 

[SUNRAY]

I know when it was down to me, I ensured there were forms to report defects, and tool box talks about filling in the forms followed by a questionnaire to ensure it was understood.

Living where not every one speaks English, the questionnaire ensures I don't get, I am a Welsh speaker, I did not understand what you mean, or Polish etc. It was a watch my back exercise, I did not care if the questionnaire was filled in while I was speaking, I still had proof they had been told and understood what I told them.

Did have it where someone was clearly trying to get me into trouble, and approached the HSE inspector to tell him about a problem, I asked who the report form had been given to, and the answer was non had been filled in, where the HSE inspector told him in no uncertain terms he could end up in court for not reporting the fault.

If ones sees an oil spill, and decides nothing to do with me, you have to be careful not to admit you have seen it.

Oil spill...

I did a job in a water site restoring a damaged SWA, the quick fix had been to bring in a deisel generator from someone like MEMS, when I arrived on site with the other guys I happend to make some comment about the dark patch on the ground under it. All hell broke loose the generator company were there replacing it, the decam team there digging a big hole and taking the soil away, written statements yada yada. Apparently an oil spill in a water treatment plant is a big no-no.