60a supply upgrade to 100a ?

[markus2025]

I can't wait to read how it went when you tried to do it yourself.

Dont get me wrong i didnt mean in this sense for this job no diyer would fiddle with the live mains supply well not one in there right mind lol i just was talking in genral what you often see on forums when someones says can i wire this to this etc and then they get shot down by folk saying just get a spark in you know a it like a consumer unit even though not allowed to do it in legal sense there really is not alot to it but some folk like to make on its like wireing a nasa space shuttle

 

[markus2025]

Nobody in their right mind would move a service head, as you want it done

The DNO is a big company with big overheads

Probley driven by alot of greed... as always just like how its gone with alot of local trades.. 300 quid a day jobbers and such then you get shot down while they reel off all there overheads half the tools they dont actually need like the 40 odd k ford msrt full kit van what ever did the sparks of the past years do ok i agree testing and regs are now maybe more then they used to be in the good old days but look at some of the stuff fitted in the good old days alot of it is still running now with no issues at all and probley was fitted with a tool box of hand tools

 

[markus2025]

But in answer its half a days work at the most for 1 man so i would of expected to pay likey no more then about 300 quid with it being a big company 1k is deffo a joke when everything is fitted and dug for them

Like dont big it up they come onsite
Pull the a new bit of cable into my box that ive fitted then fit a service head and fuse and then into my isolator that ive had to get fitted then wearing likey special ppe cut and splice the old cable i have exposed... done.. then there off i gurantee if they was onsite at 8am they be gone by dinner..

 

[markus2025]

1 hour for this guy..... litrally i repeat a joke

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

But in answer its half a days work at the most for 1 man

2 men, it has to be two, for safety, in case it goes wrong, and a lot of equipment in the van, to deal with the after-effects of it going wrong, plus a lot of planning/preparation in case it goes wrong.

 

[markus2025]

Way of the world now aint it.. which im all for safety but yeah i still think its a pants down quote... so yeah i laft to work around where its at already lol

 

[Murdochcat]

You have no idea, again. Try and post something that is something like reality.

There are 14 licensed Distribution Network Operators (DNOs) in Great Britain, each responsible for a specific geographical region.
These 14 regions are managed by six different operators.

These organisations are like solicitors and lawyers. They don’t sell their services cheap either

 

[markus2025]

Again "GREED" its all about more more more and not a fair price , for anything these days its not what its worth its what can folk get away with getting

 

[JohnW2]

Your DNO may not even be able to upgrade to 100amp, you would need to justify the upgrade, to them, anyway.

The justification' may not be too difficult.

I have had reason to play with SSEN's on-line 'demand calculator' (estimator). If one says that (regardless of anything else) there is an electric cooking appliance and one electric shower it gives the 'Estimated Maximum Demand' as 57.6A. Anything beyond that (e.g. a second electric shower or EV charging) results in them saying that a 60A supply is not adequate - so, since they apparently "don't do" 80A fuses, they then say that one 'should' have a 100A supply.

 

[fixitflav]

I want it moved from the inside to the outside its in the living room and would just be better out the way

To echo Murdochat, why do you think you need 100 amps?

 

[Why Not Indeed]

in genral what you often see on forums when someones says can i wire this to this etc and then they get shot down by folk saying just get a spark in

Replies you get in forums are just advice. Nobody is paid to answer questions and you're not paying anyone for it either. Lurk for long enough and you will work out who's useful, who's a Walter Mitty, who's a waffler, who's an ivory tower/high-horse type, etc. You have to use your judgement at the end of the day. "Get a spark in" is a potentially correct answer to literally any thread in this subforum

DNOs are a natural monopoly so you are right to be sceptical if you're given an apparently eye-watering price for some apparently simple work. I don't really know much about the DNO business model or this piece of work, but the dominant cost is likely to be labour. If the country turned out more apprentice electricians and fewer [insert your favourite useless occupation here], it would probably be cheaper.

 

[markus2025]

My responce ye ye

Good morning Mark,



I can appreciate your concerns with the quote issued.



We are regulated by OFGEM and we do not make a profit for our works, the prices are set to cover the cost of the works in full, such as admin fees, staff costs and materials needed to complete the job.



With a service alteration its unfortunately not as simple as just moving the meter unit, for safety reasons, whether we are moving an inch or 10 metres, we need to disconnect the existing service cable and bring in a new piece of cable – this of course increases the cost,



I can appreciate the price is higher than expected, and I hope this email explains in a bit of detail why that is,



Regards,

 

[markus2025]

The justification' may not be too difficult.

I have had reason to play with SSEN's on-line 'demand calculator' (estimator). If one says that (regardless of anything else) there is an electric cooking appliance and one electric shower it gives the 'Estimated Maximum Demand' as 57.6A. Anything beyond that (e.g. a second electric shower or EV charging) results in them saying that a 60A supply is not adequate - so, since they apparently "don't do" 80A fuses, they then say that one 'should' have a 100A supply.

Ok thanks i just though going to 100a was the modern way to go , on the current setup i have the dno supply meter and consumer all in the same area i have BG coming out to fit a isolator switch as the current setup dont have one

If i keelp the current 60a supply and the meter and supply stays where it is but i want to move the consumer 10 meters away would be ok to run a lenght of 16mm twin and earth from the new BG isolator to the new consumer unit ?

My setup at my home runs 16mm twin and earth along with a 10mm earth cable on the same way

Ive heard about needing a fused isolator switch if the run is longer then 3 meter ? Does it need to be fused or just a isolator switch like the one british gas are installing ?

Many thanks

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

If i keelp the current 60a supply and the meter and supply stays where it is but i want to move the consumer 10 meters away would be ok to run a lenght of 16mm twin and earth from the new BG isolator to the new consumer unit ?

They will insist on it being protected, by your own fuse. Daft as it might seem, you could add a 60amp fuse to protect, their 60amp fuse.

 

[opps]

To echo Murdochat, why do you think you need 100 amps?

I have no idea why the OP needs 100 amps. I have had customers in the past that blew the 60 amp fuse when using electric heaters in a "tent" for a thanksgiving party.