A 22-year-old Afghan national.

Elsa TLC said:
If he was still in Afghanistan, he wouldn't have murdered anyone in the UK
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It's not been established yet that it was murder. The victim intervened in a fight between the killer and 2 others. For sure the assailant stabbed and killed him, but AIUI there needs to be intent for it to be murder. Had the other two started the fight? Did he just lash out someone who in the heat of the moment he thought was a 3rd person attacking him? Did he have mental health problems? Was it manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility?

All this, and more, will have to be properly investigated. Factors like those may be part of his defence in court if he denies anything he is charged with.

And how long before someone from the Red Mist Club tries to make out that me pointing out these legal realities makes me a supporter of foreign murderers?
 
pete01 said:
Let him off then
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Assuming that's not your real belief, but is instead one of your half-a attempts at satire, whose views are you trying to satirise? Who has said, or suggested, or even vaguely hinted, that because non-migrants commit crimes, migrants should be let off if they do?
 
aveatry said:
And there we have it forum - this is who we are dealing with when you engage with knave, this is the one sentence you need to read to understand.
That's it for me I shall no longer be engaging with the vile knave.
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Yes, the most stupid comment I've heard for a long time. Persecuted? More appeased and accommodated .
 
morqthana said:
It's not been established yet that it was murder. The victim intervened in a fight between the killer and 2 others. For sure the assailant stabbed and killed him, but AIUI there needs to be intent for it to be murder. Had the other two started the fight? Did he just lash out someone who in the heat of the moment he thought was a 3rd person attacking him? Did he have mental health problems? Was it manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility?
All this, and more, will have to be properly investigated. Factors like those may be part of his defence in court if he denies anything he is charged with.
And how long before someone from the Red Mist Club tries to make out that me pointing out these legal realities makes me a supporter of foreign murderers?
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There is footage available that if you saw then you would would not be attempting to defend him with your nonsense.
 
Knave of Hearts said:
The vast majority of murderers are not "violent criminals".
Only about 5% of murders are premeditated.
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Your quote says 5% of homicides, not 5% of murders.


Knave of Hearts said:
The vast majority of homicides are not premeditated; they are typically unplanned, spontaneous acts resulting from arguments or sudden rages. Some studies have indicated that as few as 5% of homicides are classified as intentional, premeditated, or planned.
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Homicide ≢ murder.

Homicide: Murder, manslaughter, infanticide and causing or allowing the death or serious injury of a child or vulnerable adult | The Crown Prosecution Service

www.cps.gov.uk www.cps.gov.uk
 
Knave of Hearts said:
Maybe he wasn't a killer when he escaped Afghanistan.
Maybe it's the experience of being in UK for 5 years that turned him into a killer. :rolleyes:
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Or maybe the experiences in Afghanistan which led him to flee left him with mental health issues which did not get treated.
 
pete01 said:
With an abusive comment,
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Which you've never done, of course. :rolleyes:

Come on - he was wrong to post that. I've posted things I was wrong to. You've posted things you were wrong to.

Stop being a prima donna.
 
morqthana said:
Which you've never done, of course. :rolleyes:

Come on - he was wrong to post that. I've posted things I was wrong to. You've posted things you were wrong to.

Stop being a prima donna.
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Why do you never pick him up on his crap, but you dont mind starting with me?
 
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diy_fun_uk said:
Surely we need to apply a bit of logic to this though?

Are some of the migrants committing crime? Undoubtedly. Are some of these crimes heinous? Undoubtedly. However, to assert 'they're all a danger, they're all committing crime' simply doesn't make sense on any level. And if a significant number were committing more serious crime, we'd be hearing about it, stats or no stats.

We're seeing what we've seen in decades gone by. The country going through tough times and the finger of blame being pointed at a minority group or groups. When times are good, folk are less concerned, when times are bad and folk are struggling (i.e. now) the finger of blame rears its head.

Of course migrants are a contributing factor to things like struggling services, however to suggest they're the main cause is verging on ludicrous.
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No body has said they are all committing serious crime, it will only be a small proportion of them, but on a pro rata or per capita basis the numbers according to what jenerick was able to uncover are extremely disproportionate

May be it is beyond your comprehension, but if, lets say 0.4% of our population is made up of migrants that have arrived illegally, and lets say 4% of a certain types of serious crimes are being committed by them, then can you see that would be disproportionate?

And if the figures jenerick was able to come up with are not fact, then why are the real figures being suppressed ? could it be that the real figures could cause serious problems ?
 
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