Adding a small consumer unit
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Read what?
I don't think this is boring and have never said it is.
All I want you to do is answer the very simple question I keep asking you
All you have to write is "yes" or "no"
Do you agree that the following statement is accurate:
"Some people will DIY their electrics regardless of wether they have the sufficient skill or level of competence or not"?
I don't think this is boring and have never said it is.
All I want you to do is answer the very simple question I keep asking you
All you have to write is "yes" or "no"
Do you agree that the following statement is accurate:
"Some people will DIY their electrics regardless of wether they have the sufficient skill or level of competence or not"?
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I am off now anyway you obviously dont get it and it will be a long time before you do which is a shame the fact is no matter how you look at it you are encouraging non competent people to do dangerous work a trained person should be doing ta ta
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kkynaston
That's a relief! And I haven't even contributed to the thread! (Except Now!)
I wonder if the OP kept up with the whole thing
Or has it scared him away for good!
Why will you not answer a simple question?
All you have to write is "yes" or "no"
Do you agree that the following statement is accurate:
"Some people will DIY their electrics regardless of wether they have the sufficient skill or level of competence or not"?
All you have to write is "yes" or "no"
Do you agree that the following statement is accurate:
"Some people will DIY their electrics regardless of wether they have the sufficient skill or level of competence or not"?
Sidmus - what exactly is your purpose here? Maybe I'm being cynical but I think it's purely to cause trouble. If that's the case then do us all a favour and move on. It's not appreciated.
Have you helped anybody during your short stay? If so, I hope you proved your competence prior.
Have you helped anybody during your short stay? If so, I hope you proved your competence prior.
I’m stunned by the continuing, sometimes vituperative, discourse that has ensued since I posed a question about fitting a consumer unit in our hybrid house. Having unwittingly provoked this thread, I should say a thing or two about my own experience both as a professional AND as an experienced but never-too-late-to-learn practitioner of DIY. They are thoughts I believe to be relevant to the debate.
I was trained as a marine engineer in the 1950s and did the old “thick sandwich” course of six month each at technical college, an engineering or shipbuilding company, and at sea. It was a terrific mix of electrical as well as mechanical engineering
It was also a perfect course for those who came from a working-class background where most dads had a factory job, many were time-served fitters and turners, and few would ever think of getting a contractor in to do a domestic job like repairing a washing machine or rebuilding a garden wall. They could turn their hands to anything. My own father, a factory supervisor, built a bedding chest (still in use) out of scrap wood he collected from bomb sites when he returned from Burma after the war. As a boy of 13, I watched as he added a 13A socket to the minimal circuit in our house. He was careful and methodical, and I learned both the technical and the intellectual approach to such work.
In my twenties, I moved from working as an engineer to being a technical journalist, then became a correspondent and producer at the BBC. I never lost my interest in engineering and technology, and always tried to do jobs for myself, especially car maintenance. Subsequently, I rebuilt two houses, rewired them both, and put in central heating. There were no heavy regulations to contend with, but I tried to do all jobs with same fastidious neatness and logic that my father had applied to what he did around the house all those years before.
I believed then – and still do – that the amateur (ie he who practices an activity for the love of it rather than for remuneration) is often likely to apply the very highest standards to what he does. In the intervening years (I am now in my late sixties) I have seen and experienced some shocking handiwork perpetrated by professionals – registered electricians and CORGI fitters alike. Good floorboards shredded by impatient and incompetent electricians and plumbers, joints overheated until most of the solder has dripped out of the fitting, miswired consumer units (commonly wrongly earthed): the list is long.
So it seems to me that advice and help freely shared and on a friendly and civilised basis, between professionals AND the serious diy community is a necessary adjunct to the laws that have been (mainly for good reasons) enacted and which make for some irksome compliance but which are designed to root out the cowboys and save the foolish from themselves. Information is power and, properly distributed, a power for good.
Best wishes
Ian40
I was trained as a marine engineer in the 1950s and did the old “thick sandwich” course of six month each at technical college, an engineering or shipbuilding company, and at sea. It was a terrific mix of electrical as well as mechanical engineering
It was also a perfect course for those who came from a working-class background where most dads had a factory job, many were time-served fitters and turners, and few would ever think of getting a contractor in to do a domestic job like repairing a washing machine or rebuilding a garden wall. They could turn their hands to anything. My own father, a factory supervisor, built a bedding chest (still in use) out of scrap wood he collected from bomb sites when he returned from Burma after the war. As a boy of 13, I watched as he added a 13A socket to the minimal circuit in our house. He was careful and methodical, and I learned both the technical and the intellectual approach to such work.
In my twenties, I moved from working as an engineer to being a technical journalist, then became a correspondent and producer at the BBC. I never lost my interest in engineering and technology, and always tried to do jobs for myself, especially car maintenance. Subsequently, I rebuilt two houses, rewired them both, and put in central heating. There were no heavy regulations to contend with, but I tried to do all jobs with same fastidious neatness and logic that my father had applied to what he did around the house all those years before.
I believed then – and still do – that the amateur (ie he who practices an activity for the love of it rather than for remuneration) is often likely to apply the very highest standards to what he does. In the intervening years (I am now in my late sixties) I have seen and experienced some shocking handiwork perpetrated by professionals – registered electricians and CORGI fitters alike. Good floorboards shredded by impatient and incompetent electricians and plumbers, joints overheated until most of the solder has dripped out of the fitting, miswired consumer units (commonly wrongly earthed): the list is long.
So it seems to me that advice and help freely shared and on a friendly and civilised basis, between professionals AND the serious diy community is a necessary adjunct to the laws that have been (mainly for good reasons) enacted and which make for some irksome compliance but which are designed to root out the cowboys and save the foolish from themselves. Information is power and, properly distributed, a power for good.
Best wishes
Ian40
No - that was someone else. You made a sarcastic comment about the regs not requiring proper punctuation and I suggested that if you're so concerned about the standards of what people write here you should perhaps pay more attention to the quality of what you write, but at no time have I tried to judge what you say on the basis of how you say it.
Unskilled people can buy books.
You want this site to stop giving advice to unskilled people - what about all the books out there?
No - but I can see what it does say.check out page 22 iee regs competent person cant see anywhere it says a person that has been told what to do by someone they have never met or known on a forum that may or may not be competent themselves can you BAS
Your point is?
What if I had none - what would you say then?
Like the way that the authors and publishers of books accept responsibility for their advice you mean?
Yes - apologies - I misread your post - I thought you were asking about the reason that Part P was introduced, and what the raison d'etre of the Competent Person schemes is.
I've already given a straightforward response to your request.
If you want to talk about side-stepping then shall we discuss why you've not answered the question of why you want to know, and what you'd say on the basis of my answer?
I'll point out for the third time that if you have an issue with any advice I have given then I'd be happy to discuss it with you. Feel free to take me up on that at any time.
How strange that you should ask me not to tell you the truth.
Shall I follow that at all times, and never tell you the truth?
In the same way that authors and publishers of books accept responsibility you mean?
Please feel free to correct any bad advice that you find here.
Please feel free to point out any incorrect advice that you find here.
Please feel free to highlight any lack of competence as demonstrated by poor quality advice given here.
In the same way that authors and publishers of books are held responsible you mean?
Please feel free to highlight any bad advice given here because people don't list their qualifications.
Please feel free to show where bad advice has been given because those giving it don't list their qualifications.
In the same way that authors and publishers of books are held responsible you mean?
Please explain the logic which leads you to conclude that people who choose not do do what you think they should have something to hide.Surely it would only be a problem to people who have something to hide correct
You're showing signs of losing the plot now.....so therefore practicality is more inportant than peoples lifes
So you think.
I guess they think differently, but as Gary suggested, perhaps you should take your grievance up with them - I'm sure they'll see it your way, what with you being so rational, and able to prove your point by reference to past posts on this very forum.
"Allowed" to give.
My what a fascinating if somewhat unlikely scenario that suggests, that somehow people could be allowed or not to give advice here.
But feel free to show by reference to bad advice that such a system should be introduced if possible.
That's a fact is it?
Should be easy for you to provide references so that we can all see that it's a fact, and not just another one of the notions whizzing around inside your head, shouldn't it.
In the same way that authors and publishers of books take responsibility you mean?
I'll leave Gary to explain anything he is or is not implying, but as for whether what you think is bad, you would have to show that advice given here is unsound because people don't prove their qualifications for it to be seen as rational.
And that's a good analogy for a site advising people on DIY in what way exactly...?
I hope he'll forgive me for speaking on his behalf, but maybe it's because he thought it important to protect consumers and to make sure his work is done to an approved standard and protect people and property?
Actually no - it doesn't work like that.
This site has been going for over 6 years and had had over one million posts made to it .
For you to come along at this point and say that it's all wrong and has to stop it really is down to you to prove your case.
Feel free to show examples of advice which is unsound because people haven't proved that they are in a position to give it.
Now you are talking about the self-certification schemes, so I can accurately reply that they are there in order to increase the influence and control of electricians' trade bodies for the benefit of their members but mostly for their own benefit.
Remind me again what the point of you being here is?
That's a fact is it?
Should be easy for you to provide references so that we can all see that it's a fact, and not just another one of the increasingly bizarre inventions whizzing around inside your head, shouldn't it.
Why don't you start thinking about the FACT that nobody is agreeing with your position?
Really?
Got any evidence to back that claim up?
Not for good, I hope - surely after your repeated challenges to people here to list their qualifications you won't fail to respond to the challenges you have been set to show how bad advice is being given here?
[quote[you obviously dont get it and it will be a long time before you do which is a shame the fact is no matter how you look at it you are encouraging non competent people to do dangerous work a trained person should be doing ta ta[/quote]
One more challenge for you - please produce the accident statistics which show that DIY electrical work is dangerous and that only trained persons should attempt it.
Ian40
Thanks for your last post, I'm sorry that Sidmus appears to be on some sort of a mission and decided to bombard your thread with unnecessary jibberish and personal feelings.
Hope you have a clearer understanding of the work and design you intend to use, if you haven't it might be best to start a new post since this one is so full of 3rd party scribbles.
Thanks for your last post, I'm sorry that Sidmus appears to be on some sort of a mission and decided to bombard your thread with unnecessary jibberish and personal feelings.
Hope you have a clearer understanding of the work and design you intend to use, if you haven't it might be best to start a new post since this one is so full of 3rd party scribbles.
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