Air Vent - Is This Illegal?

[ollski]

Almost any substance which is normally harmless will have detrimental effects when intake is increased enough.
Most doctors will tell you that drinking 2 litres of clean water a day is very healthy. Increase that with the same factor as in your research, and you will perish as well.
1 glass of wine vs 50?
Eat 100 apples in one day and you get very ill.
200 cuppas?
How about having sex 500 times a week?
10 times a normal dose of ibuprofen is likely to kill you, let alone 50.
Running 100 miles in one go in stead of twice around the park?

“scientific research” can prove or disprove anything; we are all witnessing how most governments have jumped on the “carbon-footprint” bandwagon in order to justify billions in extra tax levies. When the government will show its commitment to “carbon-reduction” by matching the extra revenue pound for pound to fund research into cars that can run at a quarter of the cost of today, I will reconsider my opinion.

I'm playing with you ben, just pointing out you said it was not toxic wheras it actually is.
My bro works in the delivery maintenance side of an industrial gases company and is constantly reminding me how he works with 'real' dangerous gas. (co2)

 

[dmitch071]

This is my last comment on this as I have made my views clear, I dont need to argue with you Toptec as every guy on here knows the type of person you are as we unfortunatly meet people like you often.Maybe if these people who love"having a go" as I put listened there would not be as many fatalitys and familys,students living in dangerous accomadation due to dangerous gas installations.

We are the proffesionals and have given you our opinion and thats what was asked for.

Read again the name of the webiste there is a clue in there!!!

 

[doitall]

I have never heard of changes to regulations being made retrospective and affecting old installations. Double glazing, for example, now specifies K type glass but no one is being made to change their double glazing just because the regs have changed.

On the matter of ventilation, I did a bit of googling and found this:

The fact is that there is no "new regulation" or "new safety standard" regarding this issue and ventilation requirements have not changed. If a boiler was installed from new, according to the maker's instructions, there is no reason why it should suddenly have become unsafe. The only reason British Gas, or any other CORGI-registered engineer, could have for advising more ventilation would be that the boiler was wrongly installed originally; or if the ventilation had since been reduced, such as by airbricks or ventilation grilles being blocked up; or if a free-standing boiler had since been "compart-mentalised" or enclosed in a cupboard.

The current confusion stems from the publication in August 2005 of the fourth edition of the Gas Industry Unsafe Situations Procedure, which specifies the steps to be taken in the event of a gas appliance being genuinely poorly ventilated. This states that an appliance with 39 per cent or less of the manufacturer's ventilation requirement should be classified as "at risk" with immediate effect and turned off (or less than 90 per cent of the required ventilation for a compartmentalised appliance); if the ventilation is between 40 per cent and 89 per cent of the requirement, then the user must be informed that they have until 1 June 2008 to rectify the situation, and that if they don't, it will be deemed to be "at risk" from that date.

It would appear from this that, if the ventilation met mfr's requirements at installation, there is absolutely no reason to change it; but, if below spec the boiler may be turned off or left running and the owner told to get it fixed by 1 June, depending on how below spec the ventilation is.

If you see my original post you can see the ventilation is undersized from the manufacturers requirements

ChrisR said the regulations haven't changed, all they are doing in June is upgrading the risk to AR from NTCS

 

[Corgigrouch]

Although I would never argue with the report on the toxic effects, I would say that for the purpose of this exercise we should regard Carbon Dioxide as an asphyxiant rather than a toxin. As soon as we start to regard it as a poison, the pedants who control Health and Safety in our society will demand that it is removed from our beer and mixers.. A world in which I would prefer not to live in.

As for the vent in question.. It is too small so get it sorted and stop bellyaching..As soon as I walk in to a room and see a back boiler I'm looking round the room for the vent, I guess that this guy was too.

And for the wire in question, I suspect that it was not as obvious a fault as suggested... In a cupboard...Shelf fell off and sliced through.. I smell something and it ain't CO2

 

[baxpoti]

if the ventilation met mfr's requirements at installation, there is absolutely no reason to change it

Precisely

 

[namsag]

Wrong for all boilers the old baxi 572s and gloworm gp40`s etc used to say door vent into hall was sufficent. and there are still a lot about. and you would put a proper size vent to outside

 

[bigbeak07]

as a corgi reg engineer, his first priority is to save guard life and property, this guy has showed he's alert to possible problems unlike past engineer's. you home owner's should be thanking him rather than slagging!

 

[doitall]

if the ventilation met mfr's requirements at installation, there is absolutely no reason to change it

Precisely

No comment on the undersized vent then.

From the manufacturers instructions the vent is well below what was required when it was first installed.

 

[Corgigrouch]

As I explain to all the customers that I have to turn off... If I leave your appliance running then you will die of carbon Monoxide poisoning and I will be in prison...If I turn you off, then you will die of Hypothermia and I will be congratulated for saving you from dying of Carbon Monoxide poisoning .............

Gimme half an hour and I'll get you some electric heaters from my workshop to keep you warm 'till we can get you sorted

 

[corgiman]

Do you PAT test your heaters every time you get them back from a client grouch?

I believe you have to now and thats why we no longer give them out.

Are we wrong?

 

[namsag]

Happened all the time when worked on emergency for BG would have major arguements2/3 times a week.. So you called us out because you thought it was dangerous , i am agreeing your off whats the problem. It will cost me and i`m skint and i will be cold . Not even got the sense the where born with. kids coughing and spluttering with fumes rooms black with soot 100% LEL in houses but still a fight to save THEIR lives

 

[namsag]

CM meant to pat test for atleast the past ten years. was on incident where we gave out 3000 heaters and hotplates it was cheaper to leave with customer

 

[Corgigrouch]

Do you PAT test your heaters every time you get them back from a client grouch?

I believe you have to now and thats why we no longer give them out.

Are we wrong?

No I don't... I know that they are supposed to be tested but It happens so rarely that I am willing to take the risk.. Perhaps I shouldn't but a couple of OAPs in a freezing terraced house and I can't leave them without some sort of heating till I can get them fixed.. The heaters are all less than a few years old and in good condition visually.. Plug, flex.. So I'll risk it ..A young family can find their own heaters

They must be still be lending hotplates out up here, a customer had been turned off by Transco about a year ago and was relieved that they had left her with a little hotplate... Never was too sure who had given it to her' cos she still regarded anyone to do with gas as "The Gas Board"

 

[corgiman]

So we are not wrong then?

 

[nickso]

So we are not wrong then?

if you take them back after use then they should be pat tested iirc.