Then please tell me which code, law, or fact means that a circuit where an appliance is connected via an outlet plate has to be inspected and tested before the appliance can be reconnected whereas a circuit where the same appliance is connected via a plug and socket does not have to be inspected and tested before the appliance can be plugged in again.
I don't have to justify what i'd do to a person like you, I respect your knowledge but what terrible unfriendly attitude
As unfriendly as over and over again refusing to answer a civil request for you to explain why you won't reconnect an appliance via an outlet plate without satisfying yourself that the circuit to which it connects is sound but you will plug in an appliance without satisfying yourself that the circuit to which it connects is sound?
Correct me if I am wrong ... but under Part P , you can replace existing socket frontals or cooker plate frontals without a MWC because you are not altering the circuit in any way .. therefore reconnecting a cooker to it''s original equipment is non notifiable under part P.
Yep, sort of. You are mixing up different requirements - Part P is the law and BS7671 is a non-statutory document.
The replacement of sockets, light switches, outlet plates etc etc is non-notifiable under Part P. Regardless of notification - all work on the fixed electrical installation must comply with P1 i.e. "Reasonable provision shall be made in the design and installation of electrical installations in order to protect persons operating, maintaining or altering the installations from fire or injury. "
This is where BS7671:2008 comes into play. In order to show what you are doing complies with P1 you may choose to work to a known standard such as this.
Replacing an accessory is generally considered to be maintenance work hence you do not really need to issue a MWC, however if the client is demanding one you can issue a MWC.
I'll agree that the re-connection of the cooker is a non-notifiable activity however if you are being paid to do a job then you still have to consider your duty of care and where you stand should it all go pear shaped - what if you re-connect it and do something wrong.
yes but it's Sunday and I'd earned a few extra hours in the land of the duvet.
But if bas has problem with GMT, just clarify 10.30am is in the morning, I don't know how it works that way, something to do with romans, the sun, moon and movement of the seas and earth rotating on it's axis!
Don't recall mentioning dead test if I did sorry for misleading information just a quick look at installation.
To answer the simple question, Which i'm sure I have answered already Ans: no I wouldn't inspect a circuit everytime I unplugged and plugged back in the kettle.
Why: My reason being is its not practicable or logical, I'd assume that the circuit was okay as my microwave had just pinged, with warmed up left overs and was on the same circuit.
No back tracking i'm an honest,trustworthy chap even though i've been discredit by someone who doesn't know me.
May not have been to clear, i'd have to review all post first.
Don't recall mentioning dead test that relate to R1+R2 or IR, like you mentioned a misunderstanding somewhere regarding the tests
Well, I really don't think I got the wrong end of the stick, but if I did then I consistently showed that I had, and scary passed up opportunity after opportunity to put me right, refusing over and over again to explain himself.
And he has still not given any logical or consistent reason why a circuit to which he is reconnecting an appliance via an outlet plate has to have checks carried out on it which do not need to be carried out if the exact same appliance were to be connected via a plug and socket.
All I have done, basically, is to keep on asking you to provide a logical explanation for your position, to keep on highlighting inconsistencies in your position, and to keep on pointing out your inability to explain your position.
If you feel discredited by that then it's because of your illogical and inconsistent position, nothing else.
If Matty was fitting a worktop, and needed to unplug a microwave and a toaster and a kettle, would you advise him to worry about whether the previous installer did the socket circuit OK?
No! I won't advise him on that as he has not terminated any conductors nor touched the installation. But if I had disconnected the cooker, when reconnecting I would assure it was safe and fit for purpose of use.[/quote]
My second post on this thread in reply to your question!
I think I answered that particular simple question straight away, maybe not the answer you was wanting but that's your hang up!
My second post on this thread in reply to your question!
I think I answered that particular simple question straight away, maybe not the answer you was wanting but that's your hang up!
I fail to see how saying you would check the appliance to see if it was safe and fit for purpose of use is in any way an explanation of why you think you should concern yourself over whether the guy who installed the circuit had used the "correct protective device for cable size and output values".
Can you help me by explaining how "has the previous installer, installed correct protective device for cable size and output values" is addressed by checking the appliance?
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