Another Quality Install.

[vera121]

Small Ind unit, new trunking and lighting installed using existing DB, no certs, no names etc.

Pic 1
Nice finish on lighting trunking.

Pic 2
Connection to existing DB, trunking was not used as cpc.

Pic 3
Old cables cut, fuses left in!

Pic 4
Multi core swa, neutral marked with black tape.

Pic 5
Cpc connection.

 

[theedam]

WOW! Approved contractor I bet!

 

[ColJack]

it has to be a domestic sparky..
guy hasn't got a clue for industrial work, and is using the rolls of T+E he has in the back of the van rather than using proper singles..

 

[Paul_C]

Ugh!

 

[oharaf]

it has to be a domestic sparky..


EXCUSE ME!!!!

I am mainly domestic BUT YOU WOULD NOT catch me doing anything like that!!!! in an industrial setting

What you mean't was 'Cash Over Quality' installer, probably learn't his quality control as an apprentice!!! from his employer, or, complete cowboy!!

 

[vsynth]

Often on this forum I have seen work like this and have come to a conclusion.

To be an electrician I think you have to have a propensity to be tidy and to err on the side of caution.

Cable terminations and runs have to be 'just so', if there is any bare conductor showing, or if a trunking edge could possibly damage a wire then you re-terminate or file any burrs off so it looks tidy and more importantly reduces the likelyhood of a fault or injury.

People who install circuits like those above are in the wrong trade since they have the wrong attitude.

 

[vera121]

I agree with you vsynth, the reason I got involved with this job, was the 'electrician' had forgot (or did not know) to install the equipotential bonding.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I agree too, and with oharaf.

It has absolutely nothing to do with being "domestic" or "industrial" - in neither environment are any of the malpractices shown acceptable.

And some of them (e.g. those jagged un-dressed cuts on the trunking) aren't even to do with being an electrician of any flavour - they are just fundamentally wrong. It's not just that the guy who did that shouldn't be an electrician, he shouldn't be anything which involves him using any tools.

 

[1john]

i see where coljacks comment comes from, i did a traditional apprentaship and was ttaught how to do allsorts in the workshop, basic steel trunking installation and also the fabrication of a 90degree bend by cutting two 45degree segments out of a length of straight 2"x2" trunking and then cutting a fish plate to install in the back. I dont think that the 5 day DI courses cover this sort of thing, infact i cant imagine they cover bending and forming steel conduit. The more i think about it, i wonder what exactly they do cover? is there any practical hands on teachings??

 

[mikhailfaradayski]

was the spark who did this responsible for the whole lot, or just installing the cables into pre-existing (dog-rough)trunking?

I had much fun and games making my own trunking sets, hand cut and rivetted, rivets filed down and the whole lot lined with elephant hide glued into place.

I guess those skills are not taught nowdays?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I dont think that the 5 day DI courses cover this sort of thing,

No, they don't, but anybody who owns a hacksaw, no matter what trade or no trade, ought to be able to do a better job than the one in the photo.

If they cannot then they have no business owning or even picking up a hacksaw.

infact i cant imagine they cover bending and forming steel conduit.

No, they don't.

The more i think about it, i wonder what exactly they do cover? is there any practical hands on teachings??

Not a lot.

 

[1john]

but they get to undercut my pricing and do my jobs, i recently had to try and beat a price of £1500 to wire a two bed flat and also a two bed park home for £1200.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

True.

Maybe when advising people to use an electrician, instead of just pointing them at the competent person website, we should give advice along the lines of this, which I've done a few times:

As ever, personal recommendation is always the best way to find a reputable tradesman, but if you're having to go ahead without much in the way of references or personal recommendation, don't put any store by registration itself - sadly it is possible to become registered with woefully inadequate qualifications and zero practical experience. You don't have to spend long here to see people cropping up who are registered and "qualified", but who are clearly seriously incompetent in reality and who should not be charging for their services.

It's your money and you have every right to ask prospective tradesmen what their qualifications are. Just being listed here is not a good enough guide. No genuinely experienced electrician, with the "full set" of C&G qualifications will mind you asking - in fact he will wish that everyone was like you.

I feel sorry for people who have been misled by training organisations and (shamefully) the Competent Person scheme organisers into thinking that a 5-day training course, a couple of trivial examples of their work and some basic understanding of how to use test equipment will make them an electrician, but not sorry enough to agree with them trying to sell their services to Joe Public.

 

[1john]

couldn't agree more.

 

[martinxxxxxx]

What do you guys think of checkatrade? as a way of finding recommended tradesmen?

http://www.checkatrade.com