Bathroom Socket

[Adam_151]

Its not allowed, no, thats why we give it a code

But isn't saying its 'immediatly dangerous' a bit harsh when the same arrangement isn't uncommon on the continent, and it seems pretty safe over there...

And by dishing out code ones to things that arn't really 'immediatly dangerous' you may be undermining the significance of a code one and then giving a code one to something that truely is an immediate risk (say for example the socket was actually in the shower!) doesn't convey the full nature of the risk.

Not having a dig Simon, just trying to look at things from a wider perspective

 

[plugwash]

OOI was the socket RCD protected? not that it makes it any better.

it makes it a LOT better!

it's the difference between not complying with BS7671 and not complying with virtually every electrical standard in the western world.

Much as many sparkies may wish otherwise BS7671 IS NOT STATUTORY and that given that the approved document explicitly says that installing to other european standards is acceptable and sockets in bathrooms are allowed by most of them i think it would be hard to argue that it violates part P.

 

[securespark]

But doesn't PP say to be compliant with itself you have to install to 7671?

 

[Spark123]

The special locations in the statutory instruments are defined by BS7671 but as far as I know BS7671 is not the only method of compliance with P1 of Part P.

 

[Adam_151]

But doesn't PP say to be compliant with itself you have to install to 7671?

Nah, although the approved doc does recommend BS7671 *or equivelent*

(if you spend enough time on the IEE forum, you'll hear stories about german sockets installed in english bathrooms to VDE100 (german regs) and LABC accepting it!)

 

[securespark]

But would you install something like that kit in my picture in one of your customer's bathrooms??

Or anybody else?

I wouldn't....

 

[Spark123]

Not a chance!
But then again, working in a factory I don't fit many bathrooms

 

[Pensdown]

I have to smile when people get up tight about sockets in bathrooms.

What's the difference between a correctly installed and rated bathroom socket and a socket in the garden which can be used by all sorts of appliances, (including hair dryers ) in the rain?

 

[plugwash]

But doesn't PP say to be compliant with itself you have to install to 7671?

The law itself says nothing about complying with particular standards.

IIRC the approved document advises complying to BS7671 or an equivelent standard from an EEC member country.

 

[Pensdown]

I have to smile when people get up tight about sockets in bathrooms.

What's the difference between a correctly installed and rated bathroom socket and a socket in the garden which can be used by all sorts of appliances, (including hair dryers ) in the rain?

....so whats the difference?

 

[plugwash]

people aren't usually naked and immersed in water in the garden.

 

[TicklyT]

people aren't usually naked and immersed in water in the garden.

Swimming pool?

 

[Spark123]

A swimming pool is also a special location as defined by the IEE regs
There are restrictions as to what type of sockets are allowed, where they are allowed and how they are fed.

 

[securespark]

people aren't usually naked and immersed in water in the garden.

Thanks, plug! Said that without moving my keyboard...

I have to smile when people get up tight about sockets in bathrooms.

I take it you have one?

 

[Pensdown]

If the 17th allows sockets in bathrooms I will have one for charges etc.