Best Way to Paint these doors

[Adam Bill]

I have these dark wood doors in my house which I would like to paint white and keep the metal bits on the door black.

My question is what paint do you think would be best to do this? I know it will take a few coats and was thinking of putting Zinsser 123 on and a satin white on top of this but wasn't sure if this would be best or if anyone else has tried to paint doors like this before and had any recommendations.

 

[Wayners]

Assume all inside? Zinsser BIN 2 coats. Then an acrylic primer undercoat. Then your top coats...

The 123 you mentioned is not a good stain blocker. You could try it but I'm sure it will fail on those doors.

 

[Adam Bill]

Yes all interior doors. So to confirm it will need Zinsser BIN, plus undercoat, then top coat?

 

[michealangelo]

Yes all interior doors. So to confirm it will need Zinsser BIN, plus undercoat, then top coat?

I would use bin , 2 coats

Then a oil based undercoat which in my view would give better coverage than an acrylic primer undercoat

That being said you would need 2 or possibly 3 coats of even oil based undercoat to cover dark wood doors

Then your top coats ......again x 2 , minimum

 

[Adam Bill]

Also it's quite rough wood would you still thoroughly sand down prior to Zinsser BIN?

 

[slawit]

Yes, the more sanding the flatter the end result. I would start around 60 grit work through to at least 180 if 240 grit.

 

[michealangelo]

Also it's quite rough wood would you still thoroughly sand down prior to Zinsser BIN?

You could try putting on a sacrificial first coat of bin , let that harden off and bind the surface.....then sand off lightly

Then proceed with bin x 2 etc etc

You will probably get a better finish that way

 

[richw]

I've done similar in my house. About 14 doors. Modern-ish, but stained very dark. 2 coats of BIN, then I think I went for 2 coats of a water-based satinwood. A couple of the doors I have lightly sanded and re-done with an oil-based satinwood, which is much more durable. Maybe the water-based would have been OK if I'd used some undercoat too? I don't know.

BIN is brilliant, but horrible stuff to use. It's name must come from the fact that everything else it touches needs to go in the bin afterwards!

 

[slawit]

I've done similar in my house. About 14 doors. Modern-ish, but stained very dark. 2 coats of BIN, then I think I went for 2 coats of a water-based satinwood. A couple of the doors I have lightly sanded and re-done with an oil-based satinwood, which is much more durable. Maybe the water-based would have been OK if I'd used some undercoat too? I don't know.

BIN is brilliant, but horrible stuff to use. It's name must come from the fact that everything else it touches needs to go in the bin afterwards!

I find it interesting that you say Bin is horrrible to use and everything goes in the bin afterwards, why is that?

 

[michealangelo]

I find it interesting that you say Bin is horrrible to use and everything goes in the bin afterwards, why is that?

I find Bin red very runny

It would be great if it were just a touch thicker

I find meths or ammonia cleans the brushes well but I keep Bin red brushes just for Bin red jobs

Bin blue , water based , is easier to apply but not as good in my opinion

I like Crown PX4 , water based but in some circumstances it's not as good as Bin red , sealing water stains for example

Wickes stain blocking primer is surprisingly good , oil based , not as quick drying as the above , Zinser Cover Stain also very good primer over glossy or dark surfaces but again longer drying times

 

[michealangelo]

I've done similar in my house. About 14 doors. Modern-ish, but stained very dark. 2 coats of BIN, then I think I went for 2 coats of a water-based satinwood. A couple of the doors I have lightly sanded and re-done with an oil-based satinwood, which is much more durable. Maybe the water-based would have been OK if I'd used some undercoat too? I don't know.

BIN is brilliant, but horrible stuff to use. It's name must come from the fact that everything else it touches needs to go in the bin afterwards!

Maybe use the johnstones aqua finish ? , instead of your bog standard water based satinwood

And yes a decent undercoat over the Bin, before your two topcoats ...possibly johnstones aqua ....would give a good finish

2 Bin, 2 undercoat, 2 top coat is a pretty good average , I think on the sort of work outlined in the original post

 

[slawit]

Bin red is a shellac-based primer which is why it’s superb for drying on greasy substrates. Always use meths for cleaning brushes. Personaly I only use it for the above reason, I will then use an obliterating primer such as Johnstone joncryl primer undercoat.

 

[richw]

I find it interesting that you say Bin is horrrible to use and everything goes in the bin afterwards, why is that?

Because it inevitably spills everywhere: including your clothes and carpets! Whatever brush you use will be destroyed, so needs to be thrown away.

It works really well at covering over the dark stains/varnishes, and for that I love it. But it's just hateful to use! And the way it is so thin... like applying milk... it just splashes about..

 

[michealangelo]

Because it inevitably spills everywhere: including your clothes and carpets! Whatever brush you use will be destroyed, so needs to be thrown away.

It works really well at covering over the dark stains/varnishes, and for that I love it. But it's just hateful to use! And the way it is so thin... like applying milk... it just splashes about..

If quick drying isn't needed I think polycell stain block , zinser cover stain or even wickes stain blocking undercoat , all very slightly thinned , make better primers over stained , varnished or shiney surfaces

I agree that bin red is a good product but it really is a shocker to apply

If it's being used as a stain blocker , especially on ceilings I always use a spray can bin red , no way would I have that stuff dripping everywhere