cheers to those of you especially noseall and thirdeye for their help they have given me on here , its nice to know you can ask for help at times without any bother , i have actually rang building control several times for weeee buts of info that would help me with my garage conversion ha ha and guess what they never ever ring back if they are unavailable at the time , garage is at final stage getting window installed today then onto the good stuff the decorating yeehaaaa all the hard work done once again big thanks